iakudi

First house ideas and advice

Ismail Akudi
8 years ago
Hi there,

We are looking for some advice. We are buying our first property and I attach the floor plans. As you can see it is quite spacious with a full bedroom / en-suite downstairs.

The decision we have to make is:

(1) keep the en-suite in the master bedroom (add a shower / basin), convert the small bedroom 3 into a dressing room and convert the open study space into a small bedroom. So we have 2 good rooms and a small room upstairs.

(2) convert the en-suite into a dressing room and combine the small bedroom and study space into a good medium size room so we have 3 good rooms upstairs.

The bathroom is to be modified with a new bath and shower. Plus the two storage space in the master bedroom on the right is to be converted into a single storage space. The entire house will need to be re-carpeted and decorated.

Please share any advice and ideas and most of all approximate costs for either of the above options.

Many thanks in advance for your help

Ismail

Comments (35)

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    Thank you for your advice, it is greatly appreciated!

    There is a sizeable building outside that is modern and fully wired up that I have earmarked as an office / relaxation (or games) room. The debate is whether to convert bedroom 3 into a dressing room and the study space into a small bedroom / future nursery. Or to combine bedroom 3 and the study space into a larger room and convert the en-suite into small dressing room. Basically it has been suggested (quite strongly) that "we" need a dressing room. We were thinking of keeping bedroom 4 as a bedroom since guests would have their own en-suite.

    The middle reception room used to be the kitchen and you are correct there are no windows, I would have to ask a professional if we could potentially add a skylight or something. The gap is an archway that leads into the middle room, the door next to it is for the storage under the stairway.

    Do you recommend opening up the lounge and middle reception room as one big open plan area?

    At the moment I am trying to understand an estimate of the costs for these renovations.
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  • minnie101
    8 years ago

    Hi. I would definitely put a shower in the master ensuite. On plan I might also reconsider removing the double storage within that room. I would also combine study and bed 3. Babies obviously grow and also come with a lot of equipment and toys (sorry to point out the obvious!) so a nursery wouldn't really have longevity. If you use downstairs for guests then there's nothing to stop you using either of the upstairs rooms as a dressing room in the meantime? If you were looking to sell in x years then people I think would want a dressing room directly off the master in any case and I would say the ensuite is a higher selling point than dressing room. Re costs, I've had 3 ensuites/bathrooms fitted for all inclusive labour ( incl tiling etc) varying between £1,550-£1,900. I should note they were all like for like fittings so not moving a soil pipe etc. That cost will vary on location and whom you use. I've just used a local plumber whom is extremely good and also does tiling and plastering. If you go to a specialist bathroom centre you are likely to pay considerably more. Bathroom fittings, tiles etc will very much depend on quality

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    I would tend to agree with you, although I am sure my fiancée probably would not for the dressing room! I like the idea of converting bedroom 3 & study into one room, but as a compromise add some extra storage cupboards etc so we can use it as a "dressing room" of sorts.

    I like the idea of removing all the storage space in the master bedroom. Good to know that a reasonable cost of the ensuite / bathrooms can be down for around £2k; like you I would prefer to support local businesses so I will look around.

    The plan for upstairs now is: convert bedroom 3 + study into a larger bedroom (to be used as a dressing room for now), remove the storage space in the master bedroom, add a shower / basin to the master en-suit and redo the main bathroom. Although the hallway upstairs will be dark as it will have no windows.

    Any suggestions for downstairs?
  • minnie101
    8 years ago

    That sounds like a plan (if you get away with it!). Re the landing, you can use pendant lighting all the way along. Mirrors on the side will also make it feel wider and/or a striped horizontal carpet. You could also install transoms over the door to let some light through. I think I might look into the cost of opening up the reception and the kitchen. I'd also put a door on between the reception and shower. It depends how much you want to do and the budget. The kitchen layout I think could be improved by moving the kitchen door into the dining side. However you may also want to think if you want a utility downstairs.

  • PRO
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    8 years ago

    The dressing room is a nice idea, however it will not add value. Making the third bedroom bigger will as more people will view it as a useable space. The dressing room would ideally be something attached to the main bedroom.

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    Well I have the 'green light' to convert the small bedroom with the study space and use the bigger room as a temporary dressing room. Minnie101 thank you ever so much for your suggestions RE: the landing. I am trying to visualise your suggestion of opening up the reception and the kitchen into a larger open plan space. Did you mean move the kitchen door from the left of the sink to the right? I quite like idea of having a central unit in the kitchen - whether that be a sink or cooker or both or something else (I often see such things in kitchens shown on American TV). Since we plan on keeping the bedroom downstairs (along with using the newly formed bedroom upstairs as a dressing room) it seems a good idea to keep the utilities downstairs. Bagpuss (love the name!) I understand and agree the dressing room is a nice idea but will it add much value, hence the temporary nature is a reasonable compromise. Plus if I want outside building to be converted into an office with a large flatscreen TV / projector etc. for a games type room I believe I will have to accept a temporary dressing room!
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  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    This is the kitchen as it is currently. Do you have some suggestions / ideas for a modern kitchen - something that full of light / bright? What would be a typical cost range for a new kitchen of this calibre? If you could share some suggestions / costs, it would be greatly appreciated so we could consider you as our first port of call. We always liked the idea of a centre island (of some size) whether it is for the cooker or sink or indeed both or even a breakfast table; however this is not an absolute requirement as we suspect it would be too expensive).
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  • Jonathan
    8 years ago
    Different idea
  • wilson_kay
    8 years ago
    Re light on landing. How about 2-3 light tunnels. We have one in an internal cloakroom which works very well.
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    Jonathan that's a really cool idea. The only question will be the walls, if I am correct the bathroom and bedroom 2 were an extension so the wall between the study space and the bathroom is the original house wall... I am not an expert on these matters! Ignoring this, do you (or anyone) have any idea at all - just a rough guess - what something like this would cost? £10k? More? From what I can see, your plans don't include any major works, but then I could be wrong.
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    Wilson_kay that is a great suggestion... Any idea where I can see pictures of them?
  • wilson_kay
    8 years ago
    We got ours from Velux, they call them sun tunnels. Photographers on their website. I am sure other companies also do them.
  • Jonathan
    8 years ago

    building work £4k at a guess.... new bathrooms and carpets could be £7k or £15k depending on quality

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    So around £15-17k? Does it make a difference that the wall between the study area and the bathroom used to be outside wall until the bathroom / bedroom 4 was added with an extension?

    For the bathrooms / en-suite we would be talking 1x bath 2x showers, basins, taps etc. It has to be good quality but not necessary Italian marble encrusted with gold etc lol! Is a dressing room expensive to build?

    Need to get a builder for some quotes. Downstairs can find later!
  • Jonathan
    8 years ago
    Should be easier to remove a solid wall upstairs rather than downstairs as it is not holding up so much.
    I liked my suggestion as it seems that you end up with a bigger and better main bedroom.
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    Thanks, yeah we much prefer your plans! Sent the ideas to a builder and waiting for an approximate quote.

    I should come back and ask you about the kitchen and the other rooms downstairs!
  • PRO
    User
    8 years ago

    I agree with Johnathan that the cost for going through the main wall upstairs may not be too prohibitive, as it's only holding up the roof. However the costs would still be - Structural Engineer, plans, Planning permission from Council- possibly, Steel most probably but big old wooden beam possibly + a builder. Plus on top of that you're moving a bathroom and all it's plumbing, so that's more cost and drainage work That's quite costly and is adding no value to the house at all. The only way of adding value and future saleability upstairs is to make bed 3 more useable and that way is to claw back the Study area on the landing and combine it with the bedroom. The wall between the bed 3 and the study area is almost certainly not load bearing and can be removed at no cost.

    Open up the downstairs by adding a structural arch from the lounge to the second reception room / Kitchen diner. One great big space at the back of the house, and save all the pennies for bi-fold doors across the back. The best way to make sure you are absolutely correct is to show the plans to an Estate Agent and they will then confirm how much value you are adding. We have done many full renovations in a 'previous life' and always kept the Estate Agents onboard as part of the process. They will tell you what adds most value, and you always strive to do that with minimal cost.

  • Jonathan
    8 years ago
    I agree with Bagpus that you should research which will give you the best return on your investment and it is true that there is less upheaval and cost with her option. You should probably check that her proposal gives you a double room at the back as a long thin single may not be worth as much.
    But people make heart decisions about their homes and a lot of people would value a house with bigger rooms and less hallway.
    Ultimately though it might be governed by available budget.
  • minnie101
    8 years ago

    If you're happy with bed 3 another option is to take out the bathroom ŵall but make it into a large luxurious combined bath and dressing room. Or if you wanted to spend more money make bed 3 a little larger and put a smaller window in the study area. I do agree though check with an estate agent. My mums house has large master, large dressing area and generous en suite with a small double and then a box room. We lived in the same village and her style of house according to local agents is not as popular although of course you do have the downstairs room.

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Hi,

    Does anyone have ideas about DEFRA approves wood stoves? In looking for a nice one (within a reasonable budget) for a small lounge.

    Thanks

    Ismail
  • Jonathan
    7 years ago
    Did you make any changes upstairs?
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Yes we finally decided on the ideas below. Attaching the pictures (not to scale & drawn very poorly)

    1st Floor
    The master bedroom is quite small, so we are reclaiming the old boiler cupboard & storage space (on the left) to create a large wardrobe space and we are also reclaiming the ensuite space to make the room larger.

    As before we are extending the small bedroom to make it larger and refitting the bathroom.

    We are also (hopefully) widening the doorway leading to bathroom / end bedroom.

    Ground Floor
    For the kitchen we are leaving it as it for now. We are taking the wall between the dining room and kitchen away and adding an island / breakfast far (separated from the kitchen tops which we will replace in the future).

    In the dining room we will remove the soil stack & boxing to claim back the corner, widen the door frame / add door leading to bottom room & shower / bathroom (to be refitted). Back wall have a mourned flat to on the wall and (eventually) a long thin electric fire with log fire effect under the TV along with a small couch.

    For the lounge, a flat screen on the back wall with some recliner couches and to the left near the window corner a wood burning stove with a flue going straight out and along the side of the house. With either a granite or exposed brick hearth and exposed brick surround.

    Replacing all the laminate flooring with carpets and re-tiling the bathrooms. Pretty much paint the rest of the walls - all carpets / walls being an off white, cream or ivory colour.

    Sadly the archway between the lounge & dining is plasterboard / stud wall so we cannot add the exposed brick archway we would have liked as it will have little support.

    Work was due to start early August but got out back to mid August and now the builders have had someone resign meaning the job will much longer (by about 5 weeks) so won't be completed till the end of Sep. Sadly we have to vacate our premises by 31 Aug so we are working with the builders to prioritise the master bedroom & bathroom so we can live there....

    A lot of work and challenges.... In need of divine intervention!
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    So if anyone knows anything about wood burning stoves please help!
  • Graeme Collin
    7 years ago

    Check out the Hobbit stove from Salamander Stoves - http://salamanderstoves.com

  • Graeme Collin
    7 years ago

    I don't know if you've already knocked them out yet or not, but one thing to take into consideration is that the built-in cupboards in the master bedroom look as though they're hiding the "ceiling" part of the staircase, so you could potentially have a funny sloping floor to contend with in [part of] that area ...

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Thanks Graeme, I think the builders will just straighten it up the floor unless it is a steep slope in which case they will just smooth it out.
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Graeme the Hobbit and Hobbit SE look really good. I have emailed and asked for the details. Having the stove would just be the best thing about the house!
  • Graeme Collin
    7 years ago

    Yes, I've always liked the look of the Hobbit stoves - they're small and compact, and not too intrusive, so they'll happily fit into smaller spaces, too - your man-cave, perhaps ??? They have a few videos available on the site, as well (which link to their YouTube channel) ... and they're DEFRA approved, to boot!

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Haha - I wasn't planning on having one in the mancave but now I want one as well!

    I'll check out their videos and call them, I need to know if they Hobbit plus installation is within our budget (every finger crossed!)
  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    Graeme the Hobbit is great but finding someone to install it is a nightmare! Struggling to find someone and to get a quote!
  • Graeme Collin
    7 years ago

    Here's a link to their authorised dealers page - one of those, hopefully close to you, should be able to help out with any queries you might have and, if unable to fit them themselves, point you in the direction of someone who could ...

    http://salamanderstoves.com/authorised-dealers/

    ... and this is Salamander's online shop - should give you an idea of what you should expect to pay for the actual stoves and such, themselves (dealer prices might vary a little) ... they look to be £475 - £525 apiece ...

    http://salamanderstoves.com/shop/

    If you're uing a builder for the other renovation/remodelling work, also try talking to them - they might have the expertise, and be able to give you a better installation price as part of the other work ...

  • Ismail Akudi
    Original Author
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi everyone.

    We are now progressing with the house bur need some help / advice. We have decided to take down most of the wall between the dining room and kitchen & build an island that will sit half in the kitchen and the other half in the dining room. (See plan).


    In the dining room we decided, instead of a formal dining table, we
    would place a log /bench type table (the kind you get in a pub outside
    or in a canteen) - right in the corner where by the wall between the
    lounge & dining room (where they meet the corner or bedroom 4 as in
    the plan). The table could be a great idea for a more formal meal as
    it would be for to sit more socially. But we want to use a storage
    bench / box (maybe an Ottoman style) along the walls with plenty of
    cushions to sit on / against the wall. This type of seating would
    continue across both walls in the corner, skip past the opening (leading to the shower / bedroom 4) and
    continue on into the corner where the dining room & kitchen meet (in
    front of the shower room).


    So it looks sort of like this (more like the second picture with the brown table)


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    So it looks sort of like this (more like the second picture with the brown table). We love the type of seating / cushions in the first picture (white & blue).

    Since we do not know where we can buy such tyoe of seating. We
    thought we could, perhaps, recreate it by buying some wooden storage
    benches / boxes and add plenty of cushions on them to make them more
    comfortable to sit / lounge on.

    Not sure if our ideas are cominf across in my posts but in case you do understand. Does anyone have any suggestions / ideas?


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