Wanting to swap kitchen and living, and extend both rooms outwards
Hi, I am debating on purchasing a council property as the discount is quite a lardge sum and I can lend more for renovation purposes.
The rooms to the left are quite narrow, so wanting to do a 2 storey extension (maybe front and back) so I could have more bedroom space, howebercthe left slide of the house is already quite narrow.
Firstly I'd like to know if I am able to create alcoves as there is only one at the side of the chimney breast in the living room and bedroom 2, this would help with the width slightly, and also any idea what the average cost to swap the living room and kitchen?
Seems like a lot but I wouldn't do a massive extension just for more space thanks :)
also so is it possible to have spindles as banisters rather than those thick block things lol if so how much
I was thinking 25k is budget is this too much?
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SNT Hill
7 years ago
Sorry not the best pictures!The back garden is where those patio doors are and the front entrance is where it says hall. There is 2 doors to the front apologies for that lol
the house is in Leeds, West Yorkshire in the pudsey area.i can only extend up and out from the back unfortunately, I'm not sure if this is at all possible - but if extending to the front isn't possible could I not shift the walls across when extending (apologies for the poor terminology this really isn't my fortè)
I'd love to know which extensions wouldn't require permission! Thanks!!
slightly off topic but I would be interested in seeing if the council would sell me some land to extend the garden slightly - wishful thinking
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7 years ago SNT Hill
7 years agoApologies for the poor attempt - I just needed the idea out my head
This is what I was thinking. Hopefully you can make out the adaptions.
25k was a guess would 35k do it? Was thinking to extend by 3m?
Also I would like the back walls to be windows for natural light.
I know the house isn't as large as the photos but I believe it would open it up considerably if those modifications were made
Or do you not think it's worth the hassle ?
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoI do agree. Obviously the bigger the budget, the more likely you are to have what you want. It's always nice to get a bit of that. I'm guessing from your pics that the soil stack is at the front of the house, so there should be no problem having a downstairs toilet where you want one. You must also have drains at the rear as the kitchen is currently back right, but they probably feed in to the front. Therefore, it is feasable to extend and move the kitchen to front right and feed in to the main drain ( which is probably at the front ). All that has to get checked out by a builder first. If you can't sort the drainage, then the build falls at the first hurdle.
All the above should be possible. I think it needs arranging a bit better as there's a lot of dead space over on the right hand side. I think you can probably fit a utility room in. Also the downstairs loo and utility would be better coming off the kitchen. Don't know why you want to swap sides, on the face of it, it doesn't look necessary.
I think with an extension, you can get a study front left and a better lounge / kitchen / diner.
Would have to have all rooms marked on a plan with dimensions though.
Something like this:-
I had to work with standard room sizes as a guess, but the footprint is about right. I still think you can have a good shift around without the need for an extension. So it would all depend on costings. The use of rooms above would probably work more cheaply than swapping sides and position of the kitchen as the plumbing and drains remain fairly much in the same place as is.
Here's the link to the planning portal:- planning portal where you can see what is allowed under 'permitted development. It all depends on size. Even if it were permitted development you still need to submit building regs etc
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7 years ago SNT Hill
7 years agoSorry the best I could do, the shaded area is the chimney breast - cost wise I wouldn't mind keeping it
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoBearing in mind the budget:-
Normally i'd say an average two storey extension would cost 60-80K depending on finish ( ball park figure )
If you still wish to extend the upstairs at some point, just ensure that the footings for the extension are dug deep enough to support another extension over the top at some point. Your builder can advise and the building regs need to bear this out.
I honestly don't think, that given the budge and the layout that moving the kitchen to the left from the right is gaining an awful lot. Especially as the narrowest part of the house is on the right, and the drains and plumbing are also there.
Therefore, given your dimensions I have revised the plan somewhat, but it is fairly much to scale as far as i can see.
I have split the house down the middle and given you back the internal wall from dining area to new lounge area as requested. This from a building perspective allows two smaller steels instead of one very long one. ( most probably cheaper )
I moved the door to the utility in to the hall from the kitchen, this allows better unit coverage and symmetry.
I think you'd have to have a peninsula style kitchen as it's too tight for an island with the dining table.
On the left it gives you a lounge area, just bear in mind the placement of furniture as the bit that is nearest the study is still narrow, and you would be best advised to have french doors from the study to the lounge for light purposes. Plus, if you were in the lounge it makes sense to go through the study to the toilet and not right the way around the kitchen and diner. ( you wanted a wall and doors, which hinders free flow )
You can have a 3m extension under permitted development, but still need a plan to submit for all the building regs.
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7 years agoJust waiting on the invite. Thanks
I've attached the floor plan with measurements, and a scruffy draft of how I'd like it
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