Has anyone found a 'creative' (and cheaper) solution to fire doors?

6 years ago

Proposed open plan layout and 4 floors means fire doors are required to meet regs.

The opening to be 'doored' is approx 2m x 1.5m. Normal opening double doors would create an issue of space, with the doors when open preventing access to other cupboard/cloakroom doors.

Pocket door systems can be bought 'fire proof' but not sure if the width will be an issue and there is only space at one side for the doors to be pushed into the wall.

I have spent hours on this!

Has anyone any creative solutions please? I have started to look at 'industrial/commercial options but not sure if the domestic size would mean such a company wouldn't be interested. Also no idea of commercial costs (except for knowing that a large folding screen I ordered for a school (really large, hall height) was £3,500.

Any ideas appreciated. Project about to crash if a solution can't be found.

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Active Builders London ltd

6 years ago

I'd recommend going for pocket doors as this would allow you to keep the open space feeling.As you suggested, fire curtain might be an option.Maybe some sort of problem glass doors/ panels. I'm afraid all alternatives will be much more expensive than fire door

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JesmondDene
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6 years ago
These

http://beehive-partitions.com/index.php/fire-doors/
JesmondDene
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6 years ago
Or this sort of thing

http://www.style-partitions.co.uk/movable-walls/
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JesmondDene
Original Author
6 years ago
Thanks, we were quoted £1500 for glazed fire doors as solid ones would take away the open plan.

Solid doors are less, that was where the pocket idea came in as thes can be pushed back. We would close them at night. Fire safe pocket system without doors is about £1200.

in addition the compression system is nearly £6000. It is starting to make the whole project financially not worth doing, sadly!
acew1234
6 years ago
If you haven't already looked at this company might be worth a look. We have just bought a 150cm opening pocket door gear from them at a great price ( not fire proof though).
https://www.sdslondon.co.uk/g-sliding-fire-door-kit.html
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kwg kwg
6 years ago
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Hello, not sure if you have considered this or if it would work in your case but I was told by building regs that if you don't have fire doors for each habitable room you can have interlinked smoke alarms in each habitable room in addition to having them in the hallways. To get the electrician to put these in, it was half the price of having to change every door in the house to a fire door ( basic door with four panel design ). Obviously some people want to have expensive doors e.g. solid wood so these will add to the cost. If you live in a period proprerty you might not want to have smoke alarms drilled into the lovely decorative ceiling so perhaps you could have a mixture of smoke alarms upstairs and fire doors downstairs or just have them installed in a discreet place. Our electrician said they have to be minimum 30cm from the door opening.
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JesmondDene
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6 years ago
Thank you both for a the above. Yes, we already have fire doors throughout and all doors with closers. All smoke alarms are also wired and will be upgraded as required. It seems the 4th floor (or actually three and a half from the ground level at one side of the house) is meaning that fire doors and a compression system or sprinklers or auto mist system (£22,000!) is needed.

Will take a look at the link above.
JesmondDene
Original Author
6 years ago
Angela, thanks, these look like an option. The fire safe version is just under £900, so perhaps doable. You said you bought a 150 wide door opening system, does that mean that you have one door that measures 150 across....my next job would be to find a fire door that wide!
acew1234
6 years ago
Yes it's just under at 145cm. We bought this kit plus some buffers and will build the wall to take the pocket door.

Sds was really good to talk to. This isn't a fire protection one though.

We are going to get someone to make the door for us, after talking to some companies it seemed the transport costs would make it very expensive.
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acew1234
6 years ago
Sorry forgot to add

https://www.sdslondon.co.uk/sds-economy-80-sliding-door-gear-kit/rollan-80-sliding-door-fittings-and-track-3250-mm.html

Not fire proof though
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Active Builders London ltd
6 years ago
Hi

We installed pocket doors and whole system from Portman and I think SDS might sell their products too

http://www.portman-pocketdoors.co.uk/
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