Kitchen/Bathroom Swap

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Alasdair F.
Original Author
5 years ago
No idea. It's a townhouse conversion, so not entirely conventional. There must be some form of drain in the existing kitchen. Looking at the external photos, I think the main downpipe runs down the outside wall adjacent to the current kitchen, so if anything the waste pipe probably runs through the floor under the kitchen.
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Thanks pjbell! My first thought was 'no way, we use bedroom 2 and can't lose it - far too radical'. But then I stopped and looked and actually, that may well be worth considering! All bedrooms are in use - bedroom 2 is our studio/craft room/office. Kids are in the back bedroom and top floor. I've got my heart set on an en-suite and keeping our large bedroom but have been mindful of making the studio too small so was opting for a small shower room. I've been pondering if there is anything we could do to have a larger family bathroom but couldn't see how. This could give a large family bathroom and more luxurious en-suite. The back room is south facing so would be much better for a studio - its worth seeing the size if we split into two bedrooms. I do like the fact that all bedrooms are decent doubles and wouldn't want them much smaller. We are going to be here for the next 10-15 years and will then look to downsize when the kids have flown the nest. This will be the only major work we'll do so although it needs to be right for us, I also want it to be as appealing as possible to the next family. Definitely food for thought - thanks!
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Active Builders London ltd
5 years ago
I doubt it runs under the floor(distance-slope). If it's too difficult to connect directly to soil stack you can try macerator
Alasdair F.
Original Author
5 years ago
The kitchen is quite new (maybe 6 or 7 years old?) so we would consider reusing a lot of the carcasses. Would most kitchen design firms work with that, or would they push for getting new units?
A S
5 years ago
It may be worthwhile getting a concept planner or independent kitchen designer on board who sell design and not product. They can work around what you want to reuse and provide you with varying layouts suited to your needs.
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ARC Bespoke Interiors
5 years ago
where are you located first floor or ground floor ? have you got access to the garden?

if yes where is the man hole for the sewers ?

if your on the first floor you could run the stack pipe externally on the wall?

ground floor need to know where the man hole is ? how much void have you got underneath your floorboards?
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OnePlan
5 years ago
Try to avoid the need to have a saniflow on the only loo in the place. As they have a tendency to get blocked - you don’t want be be without a loo!
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PWJ Architects Ltd
5 years ago
Good morning,

As mentioned above by Bespoke Interiors Redbridge UK, knowing which floor level you are on will be key to getting drainage solutions to you efficiently and moving your design process forward.
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ARC Bespoke Interiors
5 years ago
one plan

i was going to advise saniflow systems, your right they do get blocked, but worst of worst situations, if they have no options what so ever the best advise i can give is

try not to use the whole toilet paper roll to wipe your private parts, or use water and less paper ask a hygiene specialists, they should be able explain in detail
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ARC Bespoke Interiors
5 years ago
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or saniflow should design a toilet and saniflow system that can take a 6 inch stack pipe, im sure that will solve blockage problems
Alasdair F.
Original Author
5 years ago
It's first floor. The bathroom would be located on the back facing exterior wall, so no problem running a new drain if required.
Emily
5 years ago
Just a thought. If the bedrooms have decent windows maybe keep kitchen where it is and swap bedrooms and living areas over? I don’t know if making a passage way between current living and dining would be less disruptive/costly than swapping bath and kitchen though, and clearly would lose having nice bay in living area. It’s just that compromise might be preferable to the toilet compromise?
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Alasdair F.
Original Author
5 years ago
We had thought of that Emily, but then we'd lose out on the dining "annex" off the lounge, and we quite like the bedrooms facing the north, quiet end of the flat.
Emily
5 years ago
Have you posted the room dimensions? I might have missed them and they might help.
Emily
5 years ago
And how high are your ceilings? It’s just there might be a clever off the wall solution that’s more likely to be found the more info is available?
Emily
5 years ago
Another idea would be to have a plumbed toilet and basin accessed from current bathroom door and small compact kitchen behind accessed from living room. Then the existing kitchen could become bathroom with laundry section. Would mean you have two toilets?
A B
5 years ago
If the plumbing is proving expensive/difficult you could always work with what you have more
Emily
5 years ago
That’s a bit similar to the ideas coming to my mind Jen. But if it was me I’d have as compact a kitchen as I could manage so as not to impinge on living space. And actually many very high end city apartments have tiny kitchens, I suppose sometimes a kitchen barely gets used in a city. Depends on lifestyle and whether cooking is a chore or pleasure!
Alasdair F.
Original Author
5 years ago
I'm a keen cook and we spend a lot of time currently in the kitchen while I am cooking, just chatting, studying, reading etc. We're not all that fussed on a big bathroom as long as it has a big walk in shower. We are aware we'll be making some decisions that will maybe slightly limit the appeal to others, but this place is first and foremost a place for us.

Current dims are (the floorplan is slightly misleading):

DRAWING ROOM 19'11 (6.07m) x 16'3 (4.96m)
DINING ROOM 13'5 (4.09m) x 9'3 (2.82m) (high ceiling)

BEDROOM ONE 14'7 (4.45m) x 12'7 (3.85m) (high ceiling)

BEDROOM TWO 13'7 (4.15m) x 11'5 (3.47m) (high ceiling)

KITCHEN 9'9 (2.97m) x 9'1 (2.77m) (high ceiling)

BATHROOM 9'5 (2.86m) x 6'6 (1.99m) Low ceiling, but could be raised.
A B
5 years ago
Yes I see Emily great minds!
Emily
5 years ago
I’ve been drawing to see what could fit where and actually I think there’s room for kitchen living and dining to go in current living dining areas. Would take inspiration from London apartments, I was in Zlondon this week and whilst waiting around I rightmoved the streets around me and there were some great use of spaces, not cramped the high ceilings help that. Think the living area should go in current dining area though, so it’s cozy. You could break through to bathroom to have a recessed sink area or cooker area.
Just saying it’s worth playing around on paper since the room sizes allow lots of configurations.
Actually that way you’d increase your value probably since technically it could have three beds although it would be so useful to put laundry and storage there.
Haven’t explained too well since I’m in a hurry, sorry!
Emily
5 years ago
Or the old kitchen could become multi use with hidden laundry cupboards and a study with a new wider opening with glazed doors to allow extra light into hallway

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