Kitchen Diner layout issue (where is my island supposed to go!)
Hello
I have been lurking for a while here and you are always of such good advice and helpful I thought I would seek your assistance.
We think we have found a house we like and might go for it. The property has the potential in having that mega kitchen/diner snug that we want in converting the garage which is integrated to the house but this would be a large expense that we would like to avoid when we just buy the house.
So I am trying to see if this property could work with just a new kitchen for the next few years and when we are "richer" to go for the extention.
I really want an island and I am struggling to design something that could work, I have done an illustration. What do you think? Could this work? Would you have any better idea to have an island with a couple of seatings in there?
The dining corner is actually something we would get built as a dining booth to spend time with friends when we have diner.
What am I worried about is that it looks too cramped in here and not as pretty what I have in mind.
I really be grateful of your point of view and advice. Thank you
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5 years agoThere isn't enough space for an Island and the standard walk way of 1m around it. The island would be practically square and very small at around 90 x 120cm. I also don't think you have room for a Utility layout like that. I don't have the dimensions of the garage but standard would give you approx 1.9m for the Utility thats 630mm for the units and plumbing, 1000mm crouch space, leaving 270mm over, not enough for another row of units as pictured.
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5 years agoThat’s a difficult one.
Agree with the others that there is definitely not enough space for an island as you have it. Once ours was in - we were glad we made the aisles nearly a metre wide as even 800 would have been a squeeze (not so bad if it’s just occasional traffic)
You could potentially turn your island around so that it runs in an L shape with the 3.9 run wall. Move the utility to the garage or where the dining area is and move the dining area up to the top end (or have it coming off the island into the 3m room.
It would mean moving the garage door to the side though otherwise that would cut up your kitchen unit run.
Something like this image I’ve scribbled over. BUT I think the island would have to either be v narrow to compensate for the lack of depth or you could have it more to one side.
I think you might be better just changing it for a standard kitchen run and incorporating the dining table closer to the kitchen at the back end.
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5 years agoTani H-S The house is only 15 years old so no need to rewire or anything like this (very good insulation EPC is high C). Do you really think that would be possible? I would create such a lovely space for us. This is our dream but trying not to eat through too much of equity to do this. So would you really it would be possible for less than 30k?
if so it is what I have in mind (colors and decor are wrong but layout would be like), what do you think?
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5 years agoOne option, move Utility to Garage, Move door to Garage from Utility to create a corner for bench seating.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoThese walls will be insulated:-
You could as Tani says move the Garage wall back to make space in the kitchen. I can't tell from the plan if that is a load bearing wall, you'd need a builder round.
The biggest challenge is getting the plumbing from that far back to the drains outside , but it should be fairly do'able
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoIf i was integrating the Garage, then I would have a complete change. Open up the back of the house, remove the Utility and move it to the front to have a large kitchen / diner.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoAsking if I would keep the kitchen at the back of the property, the answer would be yes, if you're going to keep the Utility where it is and have the kitchen / diner. If you were going to town as they say and doing the conversion, then no.
Going back to the Original design and layout. I can't see how big the Utility area is, but i've shown it so that you can, put a door across to limit the view from the kitchen / dining area, put one row of units in etc. The internals would be kitchen 3.76 and Utility 1.64 ( approx ) These give you the walk room that you need.
This gives the minimal amount of re-shuffling, a nice snug area and a good kitchen / diner with separate Utility.
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