sarh123

Open plan kitchen/family room

sarh123
4 years ago

I've a draft of architect's drawings for a remodel/extension. I'm thinking of involving an interior designer/ planner but am even struggling to work out the questions and am concerned I will just have even more questions afterwards! Would any of you lovely people be willing to take a look and help me a little further along the way? I've included my version of the plan below - almost anything can be changed to some degree, except width of the area. Extension could be expanded so rear wall of kitchen (with window) continues in line with the sliding doors. I keep dithering over width of the patio doors, how sofas & dining table fit in, what to do with internal window, where to put television & storage... Any comments at all appreciated! We do have a separate living room, but are looking for this as our casual family room.

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  • Jonathan
    4 years ago

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  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks Jonathan. We had been wondering whether to spilt the doors as you have shown, rather than one long run - why do you think it works better?

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  • Jonathan
    4 years ago

    Both of the plans I have done were thinking about the kitchen being workable- so that you reduce the distances travelled in the work triangle.
    And personally I have never thought massive doors suit every house and I prefer the flexibility of French doors- but each to their own.
    I think you next step needs to be a designer to help you visualise it all. You could either choose a good kitchen designer who can also help you see the living parts of the room. You could also choose an interior designer, architectural
    Designer or a concept planner instead

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    i-architect
    4 years ago

    Hi Sarh123


    It's a very strangely drawn kitchen on those plans you've had done. It's basically just some kind of block copied and pasted around the room. Are you sure the "architect" you worked with was an architect?


    If you're not sure, then I suggest that you check they are ARB (architects registration board) - because to be completely honest this doesn't really look like the work of an architect.


    If it was an architect then I would recommend that you find another one to work with, because if you're asking these kinds of questions here after having worked with an architect, then they were not the right ones for you.


    I would expect a real and a good architect to have given you a plan that both works and that you are happy and sure about. Also not to use weird copied and pasted kitchen blocks that are meaningless - they are actually showing a sink on every wall!


    Hope this helps.

  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I did say above that it is "my version of the plan". It is just me playing around with furniture placement in the overall building structure suggested by the architect. That is also why measurements are rounded. I just blocked out the kitchen walls as a preliminary indication of layout - I don't have sophisticated software allowing me to specify particular cupboards/appliances.

  • Maths Wife
    4 years ago

    I too would put double doors in the kitchen and two sets in the lounge area.

    I don't like the window at the end, and i would definitely change the internal window for more french doors on the inside.



    Two different layouts for the kitchen. I actually like the simplicity of the one bank at the back with the longer length island for 6. ( as below )




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  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    SO grateful for this!! If we don't fully fit the kitchen area we can shift the utility room door round the corner so just have the double doors from the hallway. My only concern is that we have a lot of stuff to fit in the kitchen!! minnie101 asked about lifestyle - we're late fifties, grown up children who visit a lot and, because we've recently relocated, we have friends who stay overnight. As regards style, we are planning painted kitchen. Just going to play around with plans following this inspiration!

  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Your comments above have been invaluable. I've spent the day playing around on HomeByMe - first time I've used it so excuse my lack of sophistication and some odd furniture placements/choices!!

    I put the plan through as previously drafted (but with limited kitchen) and it gave me this



    I then switched to French windows (I couldn't find an exact match, so just took a patio double door) which gave this. Whilst it loses the panoramic view of the garden, the windows really help define the different areas of the room and give it a much better feel I think. I think I might have them too far apart (I know Maths Wife put them adjacent)



    I also changed the door to a double door and dropped the 1970s feature internal window, which has completely changed the seating area of the room.


    It would have been nice to have the double doors opposite the front doors, but I think having the access almost in the corner would compromise the whole seating area. I was worried the offset door would look bad from the front door, but I think even that will look OK once I get a nice chair and console in. Here is the view from the front door.

    Here is the plan which generated the above pictures

    I've obviously got lots more work to do on kitchen planning etc, but I'm finally starting to feel we're getting somewhere.

    I did wonder whether we should take the kitchen out further (it will be an extension so can still be changed), but this plan leaves the back of the house symmetrical (at least downstairs). Here's my artist's impression - the two middle patio doors stand forward, those on the end are set back with the original building line.

    By the way, i do have an architect on board - we did change about a month ago as we didn't really gel with the first one. We had kept going despite doubts but in the end just had to cut our losses. The new one seems to be great and open to suggestions.

    If anyone does have any other suggestions for improvement, I'd be really pleased. And I do have two specific questions for anyone who has read this far:

    1. How wide would you go with the patio doors and how far apart? The wall is around 7.2m that the two doors are fitted in.

    2. I'm not a great fan of the simple sloping roof extensions (the roof shaded brown below first floor level), but realise it is done to match the existing house. Any other ideas?? We can't extend any further along to the right as there is a protected tree, hence the sloping roof suddenly stops.

    And again thank you Jonathan, minnie101 and MathsWife for the inspiration (and the courage to abandon the enormous doors!)






  • Maths Wife
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I am very impressed with you. You may have missed your vocation!

    Well done.

    I think the Hallway looks lovely, and yes you're right about the doors impacting the seating area, and yes, I think it looks super in the Hallway. As you say, add a console table and a mirror.

    I've gone with these spacings to allow for your standard walk through's. I think everything lines up well.


    Just understand the limitation with the seating area and type of door. They need to be french doors from the Hallway for practical reasons. They will impact the seating area, and I already thought that putting a second sofa in it, would not work. There isn't the room, thus I put armchairs in my render.

    You could go for a corner sofa, and I think it still looks nice with the adequate room around for the doors.




    At the end of the day, the door width is down to personal preference. I prefer the way the doors fill more of the wall and let the light in with the size above.

    You can of course drop down in size. Dropping to 1800mm, which in the grand scheme of things isn't a lot, I think is a little on the small size for the large wall. They work well enough in the hallway and kitchen, but too much wall on show in the lounge area.

    this is the comparison with the 2250mm doors below . All depends on what you like, i like the larger doors.


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  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Maths Wife thank you so much again-those additional plans are brilliant! You are absolutely right about the sofas - I wanted to reuse some relatively new ones which were made for the old house, but I think I need to let go! I think the larger French doors are much better - also we have a lovely garden and I want to maximise the view. We will be losing the panoramic garden view we would have had with the single large door, but I think this makes a much more comfortable environment for us.

  • Maths Wife
    4 years ago

    I agree on all points, shame about the sofa's! I personally prefer the look of French doors, and agree that will suit the room. I'm just not a fan of large windows, i know they have their place, but i'd rather have cosy! All down to personal preference though.

  • Jonathan
    4 years ago

    I agree it does seem that people who have massive glass doors on their extension eventually end up posting on Houzz about curtains and keeping the room cool in the sun.
    The only extra I would add to the plan is some glass opposite the front door to get better sight lines to the garden.

  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks again! What would you suggest to get the sight line- a slim but tall rectangle of clear glass with same trim as the doors?

  • PRO
    OnePlan
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Thanks for the mention Minnie101 !

    I do love seeing the ideas that come up on these types of threads - but - as I’ve typed before on other posts - please remember that these are only initial suggestions - and might be done with the best of intention - but might not be totally suitable for your building/location/circumstance etc.. Do get things checked by a credible professional before you put any ideas into practice or order stage !

  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks OnePlan. I do have an architect (and will almost certainly use an interior designer) but I am finding this Houzz process invaluable in reaching a starting point with the professionals. I think the creative side of the architect’s job is quite a leap of faith - we don’t know what we’re going to get until we’ve sunk quite significant sums of money in design fees. We have changed architects as (despite a couple of iterations) the plans just weren’t us! The ideas thrown around on here give me more confidence in discussing ideas with my new architect. I may also still be contacting you at some stage OnePlan!

  • Jonathan
    4 years ago

    I think being able to see from the front door through to the garden is very desirable. Glass partitions are not just reserved for the office but I think unless your whole home is contemporary it is difficult to imagine a single pane of glass in the aperture.
    Personally I would get matching French doors but opposite the front door have no door furniture and put a console table in front of it.

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  • sarh123
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    I think I might see if this is a positioning decision we can delay until the build - there is the enormous internal window in that spot at the moment and we could see how the angles work (and how much furniture will block/be blocked) once the French doors are in, and then form the doors. Really like that French door photo.

  • Maths Wife
    4 years ago

    I do agree with a sight line straight through, and that's particularly important with straight hallways, however, not at the expense of the look and feel of the living room.


    I would not add glass at the end as I think it spoils the lounge, as you would in theory be sitting on a sofa looking left through the glass to a front door.

    My son's hallway and lounge doors are identical to this layout and it looks lovely with the console table and mirror.



    However, it's all down to personal preference.


    If you get a good concept planner on board, they can produce property specific & accurate 3d drawings for you and you can get a really good feel of walking round, and seeing what it would look like.


    Worth the money all day long.

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