Thornless roses
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Comments (20)We use lavender all the time for edging driveways and must have planted out a few 100 already this year - we love it and your quite right it is great for this purpose. The plants spread a good 60 - 80cm making them a lot wider than the beds in this front garden - still could work though if they are prepared to lose a fair bit of drive. As for the evergreen issue the RHS, bless em, do a great job and 'technically' - as they are bound to quote, lavender is evergreen/grey, but do present a sparse winter foliage which can look terrible if there are severe frosts - if you don't want to cut them back that is. After a couple of seasons hard pruning is recommended to stop the plants from getting woody/leggy and whilst there is debate whether before or after winter is the best time to prune, its up to the garden owner if they want to look at bare woody growth at the base/centre of the plant for the sake of a sparse spread of grey leaves through the winter. This doesn't matter so much if the lavender is part of a bigger planting composition, but on its own up against a fence our opinion is that its flowering qualities and limited foliar attributes would not warrant inclusion when other reliable evergreens such as Pittosporums 'Tom Thumb' or 'County Park' would fulfil the low evergreen role much better, leaving flowering effect to non rampant climbers such as Trachelospermum jasminoides, Rosa 'Zephrine Drouhin', and Campsis radicans with shrubs that can be trained onto fences such as Itea ilicifolia and Garrya elliptica, to quote just a few....See Morefamily garden help please
Comments (2)If it was my garden I'd definitely keep the tree to screen out the train line. I'd have a little circle of lawn around where the watering can is (you can get shade tolerant grass seed or maybe even artificial grass) for picnics etc. I'd plant the rest up with shade loving plants like ferns, white dicentra, alchimilla molis (sp?) and shade loving white geraniums. I'd actually keep the bridge while the children are young and make a feature of it. Maybe it could be the way in to a play area bit at the bottom of the garden. You could put a trelis up and grow shade tolerant climbers to screen of the rest of the area (some climbing roses are shade tolerant and thornless these days so very child friendly). I'd finish it off with some lights on the trees and in the borders for evening time....See MoreImprove my garden
Comments (10)Some great advice here already. Looks a great space as the seating areas are set out pretty well. In this instance I also wouldn't paint the fence, it would be too much upkeep, and screen most of it with planting. Hostas, ferns, hechura, would be great under the tree. Evergreen grasses, azaleas, hydrangeas, and tall flowering perennials for the sunnier parts. Also agree with removing the shrub on the right fence and having something more colourful here, a climber and a small mixture of evergreen and perennial plants, perhaps cordyline with hardy geranium but lots of other possibilities. Some nice potted plants for the patio, again include something evergreen, perhaps topiary box balls. Love the idea of a little Wendy house for the little one. Most of all get some chairs out and enjoy....See Moreback garden design
Comments (71)Prune in March. Prune about one third to two thirds off down to an outward facing bud. However, Geoff Hamilton, an amazing garden presenter who is no longer with us, did an experiment. He pruned one lot of roses the conventional way above, and the other half was brutally cut back with a hedge trimmer! Both methods did the job and the roses grew exactly the same! Don’t prune now, as the new resulting shoots can get killed by frost and the plant will suffer, wait until the spring....See More- 4 years ago
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoI found prickles on underside of a few leaves of Annie L. McDowell in my zone 5a, but the bush is 90% thornless:
However, I cannot find any prickles on Robert Rippetoe's Bohemian Rhapsody. It has a wonderful sweet pea scent. Below is 100% thornless and survives eight zone 5a winters. Very drought tolerant with thick leaves, and even rabbits don't eat its thick leaves:
Robert Neil Rippetoe bred the famous "Miracle on the Hudson" rose, and he also bred 100% thornless Yves Seedling (pics. below). I found only 3 prickles on the LOWEST bush of Yves Seedling, but the upper stems are 100% thornless. The scent is most delicious of red wine and grape juice, no other roses among my 150 fragrant roses can smell like below Yves Seedling, it survived ten zone 5a winters (down to -20 F below zero):
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My 8th year own-root Zeph. Drouhin has the longest blooming period from mid-May to end of July. It has 3 clusters of blooms this July. Scent is fabulous even at 93 F heat. Below pic. was taken July 1, 2022, in 4 hrs. of sun. It repeats if pruned after blooming.
Below pic. was taken July 27, 2021:
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Just got poked badly when I picked up a thorny branch of About Face (thorns went through my leather glove). Thornless roses should be made more available. I finally succeeded in rooting 100% thornless red Yves seedling, which is more thornless than Annie L. McDowell.
I bought the seeds from the breeder Robert Neil Rippetoe and grew these seedlings a decade ago.
Below 100% thornless RED Yves Piaget seedling is WINTER HARDY for the past 10 years in my zone 5a and it's drought tolerant, like its parent Yves Piaget. Left pink is Evelyn.
This year I rooted Evelyn, W.S. 2000, Mary Magdalene, Spirit of Freedom, Christopher Marlowe, Abe. Darby, The Dark Lady, The Squire, Augusta Luis, Sonia Rykiel, Radio Times, James Galway, Golden Celebration to benefit charities. But they are not thornless.I finally succeed in rooting only 1 of above 100% thornless RED Yves Piaget after 10 years of failure. It won't be available to sell for charities until at least 1 year. The scent is red wine and floral, YUM.
However, I rooted a few of PINK Yves Piaget seedling, see below, the scent is strong baby powder (stronger than Clothilde Soupert).
If anyone interested in buying THORNLESS PINK YVES PIAGET SEEDLING to benefit charities (Carmelites nuns in NY and Missionaries of charities in Chicago), message me. It's 100% thornless and very drought-tolerant, growth habit is similar to RED Yves seedling, but more vigorous for zone 5a winter-survival:
Below Yves seedling's stems are more thornless than Annie L. McDowell (Annie has wonderful lilac and musk scent). Yves pink seedling has baby powder scent, and Yves red seedling has red wine and floral scent.
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I have 2 PINK Yves seedling available: one gallon size for $30 and one band-size for $25, they both were rooted at the same time in July. Five months later, today 11/13/22 one is twice bigger due to better potting soil.
The gallon size is more expensive to ship, $17 for flat-rate medium box. The band-size is $12 to ship. The size of the rooting DOES NOT matter much, it's the potting soil and warm weather & right fertilizer that enables fast growth once it's rooted.
It takes THE SAME cost and labor to root a tiny rooting versus a gallon-size. The difference is time & warm weather and the right potting soil & fertilizer.
Here's the gallon size pink Yves seedling with 100% healthy leaves. It's bred by Robert Neil Rippetoe in hot & sandy CA (up to 104 F). He crossed Yves Piaget with thornless Bohemian Rhapsody to produce hips. A decade ago I bought the hips for $20 to grow from seeds. I gave pink Yves seedling to my neighbor, and I keep red Yves.
Pink Yves turns out to be healthier & more vigorous than red Yves. Both survive a decade of zone 5a winter at -20 F. Roses can take extreme cold have deep roots to handle drought & heat. Pakistan rosarians at 121 F like the same roses that survive my zone 5a winter.
My neighbor planted the PINK Yves under a roof overhang that blocks out 80% of rain, it came down with blackspots. But when I rooted it in a humid bin, it's the HEALTHIEST among dozen varities. Leaves are glossy, 100% healthy like a Kordes rose. Leaves stay healthy despite tons of rain in a pot, and at 24 F temp.
My Red Yves came down with blackspots in humid bin. I keep it for its amazing red wine and grape scent.
The blackspot-problem in Pink Yves was from my neighbor never water it nor fertilize it. The blooms are pink, similar to pink Radio Times below. The scent is just as good as Radio Times. Growth habit is better at 3' x 2' since it's slender, 100% thornless and compact bush. Radio Times is a spreading & thorny mess at 3' x 5' across. If I move, I won't take Radio Times along, but I take thornless pink Yves.
It took me 10 years before I could root both pink Yves and red Yves.Pink Yves is much more vigorous & healthy; scent is baby powder/old rose. It's the most drought-tolerant rose with foot-long root that survived a decade of zone 5a winter.
Pink Yves doesn't have the mildew problem of Yves Piaget since its other parent is Bohemian Rhapsody (very deep root shrub).
Below is the band size Pink Yves for $25, plus cuttings of Zeph. Drouhin:
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Life Vibes: I spent at least 2 hours digging a deep hole (3' wide x 2.5' deep) for own-root Zeph Drouhin, plus it's on a hill so heavy rain doesn't accumulate to rot roots.
I always do a "drainage test", dig down to 2 feet, then dump a 3-gallon bucket of water. If the water doesn't drain in a few minutes, then roses will blackspot. I'm 61 year old & 4'11" & 120 lb., so it's easier to dig a wider hole so water can spread out, than a deep hole.
I lost the pics. of my black gumbo clay that clumps into large cement chunks, and even vinegar could not soften it. Below are some internet pics. that closely resemble my sticky & heavy clay that broke 3 shovels. My clay was tested exceedingly high in magnesium, and it's soaking wet when rained due to poor drainage, but rock-hard when dry:
Folks here use a pick-ax to dig holes since the clay is like cement blocks. I notice that thornless roses need fluffy soil and fast drainage, so I put a huge bag of potting soil plus a bag of fluffy MI black peat (for moisture retention) at the bottom, then topped with my clay (broken up with gypsum for fast drainage).Fast drainage helps to prevent blackspots. For each hole, I remove at least 2 wheel-barrels full of rocks, before water can drain well. When the pH drops with acidic rain (pH 4.5 here), less potassium is available for disease-prevention, click on below to enlarge:
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