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Kitchen Layout Help

8 years ago

This is the general layout for our kitchen done by our architect. I'm looking for some general advice/ideas before we head to a kitchen designer and start choosing/ordering cabinets. Currently, there is a wall where the island is going to be, so while I realize there's not a luxurious amount of space surrounding the island, I'm excited to open things up!

Does everyone feel this is the best placement for appliances? One option we've thought about is to move the fridge to the opposite wall to create a longer counter to the right of the sink.

Any thoughts/ideas would be appreciated!

Comments (16)

  • 8 years ago

    The layout looks ok. It follows the Ice, Water, Stone, Fire theory. However it's seriously lacking in storage

    What are the aisle widths? I can't read the numbers?

    What is the cabinet to the right of the island? A pantry? If it's a pantry, it only needs to be a maximum of 18" deep. Anything more and you just lose stuff.

    I would not go with an upper angled corner cabinet. It's just wasted space.

  • 8 years ago
    Thanks for your thoughts!

    The aisle on the left side of the island is 41.5” and to the right is 36”. The aisle between the island and sink is 45.5”. It’s a 5’ island.

    To the right of the island is another set of lowers/uppers and counter space. There is a full height pantry cabinet to the right of the fridge.

    Funny that you mention the upper corner cabinet. I have one now and I really like it! I use it for every day dishes (toward the front) and seldom used serving pieces toward the back.
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  • 8 years ago
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    oh i don't know about this...get a cabinet depth fridge,,....using some of the space you have for tall pantry up in that corner....eliminate the lower right storage area...widen opening into living room a bit more, and then make a LONGER island which will have more storage that is displaced from pantry and lower right corner. the key is cab depth fridge and wider living room opening....or open it on right more and put more wall over on left side . what I am reacting to I think is a bit of wasted space on right side of kitchen. Occupation by the one larger island would be a serious attempt if it were mine to do. there is a corner in mudroom by the exterior door that has nothing.....use it for storage...or shift the bench and use the corner near the kitchen for the appropriate bulk/kitchen storage.

  • 8 years ago

    I wouldn't move the fridge to the opposite wall because then you have to cross the room to get to your prep space. The appliance placement is good.

  • 8 years ago
    Herbflavor - Thank you for your thoughts! I’m not sure what you mean by wasted space? The storage area on the bottom right will be 4.5’ of uppers and lowers plus counter space.

    I like your idea of making the opening to the living room larger and extending the island but the wall is kind of key to our living room layout. It’s the TV wall! :-)
  • 8 years ago

    Are the windows existing or new? If the latter and their placement can be tweaked, here's a possibility, sparked from herbflavor's suggestion.

    I moved fridge, DW, sink and windows to the right, reducing the width of the pantry cab, and shifted the range off the short L wall to the exterior wall (makes venting every so much easier and less expensive), widened the entry between kitchen and DR (but left TV wall intact), and lengthened the island to create a quasi galley kitchen lay out. I swapped out the section of cabs and counter on the LR wall for a shallow, floor to ceiling pantry cab. A galley kitchen is an efficient lay-out plus there's no wasted corner storage or counter space.

    I centered the sink under one window instead of centered between 2 windows. Personally, I'd rather not have windows' center stile in front of my face when I'm at the sink. I'd rather have a clear view outside.

    I purposely made the aisle between island and bathroom wall only 36" and the other aisles wider to persuade everyone to walk around the bottom end of the island, not around the top end and through the work zone.

    If you can't do this, you might still be able to do a version of this, just flipped side to side.


    I shifted the mudroom entry towards the LR to give more of a buffer around the range.

    Speaking of mudroom ... how many butts do you hope to get on the corner bench in the mudroom? I think it's only going to work for 2 not 3 because 2 people can't sit perpendicular to each other in the corner. You might be better off going with a straight across bench. You could possibly squeeze 3 butts on the bench, especially if they're kid-size butts. = )

    Do you have plans for the space next to the door? Storage cabinet?

    Oops, almost forgot. Given your kitchen's modest size, I wouldn't give up cabinet storage to a garbage/recycling pull-out. Get a single bowl sink with an off-set drain and put the garbage pull-out under the side without the drain. My kitchen is larger than yours but that's what I did. I just couldn't see giving up drawer storage when the area below the sink was available. It works great! I can move wet, drippy things (think meat packing) straight from sink to garbage without dripping on the floor. If one of us is at the sink and the other wants to throw something in the trash, it's not a big deal to step slightly to one side.

    Keep an eye on clearances between the bottom of the sink and the top of the cans. These are the 35 qt size cans from Rev-a-Shelf, IIRC. I have less than 1" to spare between the funny bumpy things below the sink and the top of the cans.

  • 8 years ago
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    Re: opening in existing wall to living room...can you widen it any more at all...as the island expanded in Lisa's tweaks makes it such a better space.

  • 8 years ago
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    I also agree on a 21" or 24" x 21" single bowl sink. Not the huge one drawn in. Imo the 36" sinks are only there to make cabinet layout design easier for kitchen designers to swap between a single and double bowl cabinet layout. Nobody needs that size tub. 30 is also too large.

    And the original plan seems to suggest cabinets over the range or a micro/exhaust over the range. That's not a choice often recommended. A hood 6" wider than the range is more common. I'd go with an induction range like a Bosch Benchmark for cooking.

    If you go with a single galley back wall try to find space to make the counter a little deeper say 28" instead of 24 or 25.5" with the overhang. The added depth will give you more usability for the counter space you have. Do this by moving the island towards the living space.

    You can also push the frig closer to the wall and put a 9" or 12" pull out full height storage unit between the frig and the wall. I'd use one with a back instead of open on both sides.

    You have about 54" of wall to the right of the island. I'd cut that back 6" or more for clearance. If you cut it back more you could retain the L layout and still have a larger island like pictured in the alternative.. 12" pantry storage floor to ceiling for the kitchen side of that wall is the more useful depth no matter what length it ends up.

  • 8 years ago
    Lisa - Thanks for your ideas. This is definitely something to consider. I’m curious why not do a deeper pantry cabinet in the bottom right? If it has slide out trays doesn’t that help with stuff getting lost in the back?

    Love the idea of a larger island! I’m not sure about moving the window and stove because then it would be venting right onto our back deck (not sure if this is an issue??).
  • 8 years ago

    "Nobody needs that size (36") tub. 30 is also too large."

    I respectfully disagree with dan1888 . We use every bit of our sink. The sink grate side holds dirty dishes while the DW is being run or when we're too busy to load the DW (when we're entertaining), which leaves the right side free for prep work. If I had a smaller sink, I'd either have less room for prepping when there are dishes in the sink or I'd have to set dirty dishes on the counter. Neither is desirable.

    Kristin, yes, slide out trays in a deep pantry cab do help keep items from getting lost in the back. The reason I spec'd the shallow pantry was to help encourage traffic to go around the bottom of the island. If you want a deeper pantry, you can do roughly the same by not extending the pantry all the way to the opening. Do mock ups (big sheets of cardboard work great for this) to test options and see what works best for you.

    Our cook top's hood vents onto our back deck. It's not a problem for us. Are you concerned because cooking smells will be directed to the deck? My DH will make comments like "smells good out here, can't wait for dinner" =) but it's not objectionable. There's some fan noise but it's not that loud, certainly not louder than it is inside. How were you planning to to vent the hood over the range on the short side wall? To the exterior wall or to the roof? If the latter, you might still be able to do this.

  • 8 years ago
    Lisa - That’s reassuring about the vent. I just had no idea if it would be a nuisance!

    I do think I want to do something more with that bottom right corner regardless, but this layout is a great option. Going to run it by the husband tonight and see what he thinks!

    I know someone mentioned that a hood is usually preferred over a venting microwave...I know. And they look nicer too! I’m just not sure I want to lose the storage. It’s not a large kitchen!
  • 8 years ago
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    "I’m just not sure I want to lose the storage. It’s not a large kitchen!"

    If you plan your storage well, you'll be amazed at how much more you will be able to store in your new kitchen, especially if you're going from base cabinets to drawer bases.

    My kitchen footprint didn't change but my it lives larger than it did pre-remodel, even though I lost 4 upper cabinets, because my storage is heads and tails more functional than it was before.

    Have you done your kitchen tally and taken note of how much storage you need and where? I'm talking about getting down to drawer sizes for grouped items, not just a general idea.

    For instance, I knew that a drawer in a 33" base cabinet would provide 30" interior width and 20" interior depth (you'll need to check with your cab maker to know what this will be for your cabs). I marked various drawer widths with blue tape on my counters and set items inside the lines and adjusted my plan or my storage arrangements as necessary.

    I made notes and took photos of everything. It was a breeze to unpack my kitchen and put things away because I knew where everything was going to go. With very few exceptions in the 2 1/2 yrs since my remodel, everything is stored per my plan.

    What a change from when we built this house nearly 24 yrs ago. I didn't discover that the drawers to the right of my island cook top were too narrow to hold my pot lids as planned until after we moved in and that the narrow cabinet on the other side of the cook top was too narrow to be useful for my storage needs. Ditto for the narrow cabinet between my corner sink and DW. When I packed up the kitchen for the remodel, I found duplicate new items that I didn't realize I owned because they got buried and never saw the light of day again.

    But I digress. =)

    My plan:

    The result:

    This activity takes time but it pays off big time. And it clearly showed that I could eliminate uppers on my cook top wall and still have ample storage. btw, I still have space to spare.

    Do the above before making any final decisions. You may find that yes, you don't need to go with a microhood or it may confirm your suspicion that you don't have the room to spare but you won't know until you do your homework.

  • 8 years ago
    @lisa_a Thanks for the tip on planning storage! Would be great if I can find time to do this before we finalize things.
  • 8 years ago

    Do your best to make time, Kristin, you won't regret it, not one bit.

  • 8 years ago

    i love a big sink and I love the under sink trash idea shown above. Having lived with both a pull out pantry and a pantry will roll outs, I have to say the pantry will roll outs wins in a big way. As suggested above, making it deeper to match the fridge will not only look better but will give you loads more storage. Also, do get deep roll out boxes, so much better than trays. Overall, I think your layout looks fine (as long as it's all drawers!).

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