kitchen layout help please!

9 years ago

This is a plan with measurements but not drawn very accurately. The
window at the top will be replaced by a door (glazed/stable?) and lead
on to a raised deck/eating area.
The boiler is currently at
eye-level. In front of the chimney breast (middle of left wall) will be
an old white painted bookcase/dresser which is 32cm deep, 150cm wide. I
need to allow for a table to seat four. I have a tall fridge-freezer.
I
just can't work out where to place hob, separate oven, sink, washing
machine (not ideal but no other options), dishwasher if space. I prefer
big drawers to cupboards, and don't really want wall cupboards.
Any advice welcome, thanks

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Amy Amaretti
Original Author

9 years ago

Don't worry I wasn't placing the dishwasher next to the door! I was putting the sink, WM and [slimline] DW in this section. Final placing tbc. I have sustained many ankle injuries from open dishwashers!
By the way the last two houses I lived in had no door to the kitchen...

If the recess - top left - has a 80cm worktop in front, you would not be able to reach shelves or cupboards on wall above it.

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A S
9 years ago
What is the width of the windows?

Do you have a separate utility, etc?
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9 years ago
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Definitely need the width of the windows as need the total wall width. Also, can't read the depth of the recesses on the left.

You won't be able to ditch wall units if you're covering the long wall with a dresser as there just won't be enough storage. I'd recommend getting rid of the dresser so that you can units & cupboard on the bulk of two walls.

Do you have it in the budget to move the boiler? It's a shame it's up by the new doors to the garden.

There is probably room at the other end as you come it, keeping the bulk of the kitchen further on, which looks better.

For a very rough idea:-
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Jonathan
9 years ago
I agree that if you put a table on one long wall and a dresser on another you have nowhere to put everything you need and so would recommend finding somewhere else for the dresser.
I have guessed the size and suggested one possible layout
Amy Amaretti
Original Author
9 years ago
Thanks for your replies. The width of room is 3110, length 4370, windows are 110 at bottom end (on a busy road) and 880 at top, approx. If I put normal 60cm units in front of the chimney breast, they will protrude by 27cm (alcove depth) - that is my reasoning for using the dresser; also it is a vintage family piece that I love. It will house recipe books, glassware, mugs, spices, bottles.I concede that I may need wall units. No, there is no utility or other storage, until we sort out the basement...
Amy Amaretti
Original Author
9 years ago
Sorry, getting my units muddled. 311cm x 437cm, windows 110cm and 88cm :)
A S
9 years ago
Hi,

It's a shame the recess in the side you will have doors is short by 10cm, or the dresser would have fitted into the recess perfectly.

I've done a quick draft of two options you could consider.
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9 years ago
You use normal kitchen units ( as you say 600mm deep ), but when you lay them out you line them up at the front, thus bringing those either side of the Chimney breast forward by 27cm. You then purchase breakfast bar depth worktops around 900cm, so that they are more than 600 deep, thus covering the gap at the back of the units either side of the Chimney breast.

Maybe you have the option to move the doorway in to the kitchen thus making room for the dresser to the left as you come in opposite the seating area, then it won't effect the worktop and cupboard space available.
Amy Amaretti
Original Author
9 years ago
Thanks all for your plans.
Moving the door isn't really an option as it's a small Victorian house; likewise there's nowhere else to put the dresser so it will have to stay there.
A S, I like your ideas but what is in the middle of your first plan, is it an island? Are the blue ovals dining tables? Wondering if we should get a table that fits in the alcove next to new door/old window as this is much nicer than the bottom end which faces a busy road.
A S
9 years ago
Apologies, I forgot to add the labels, the ovals are dining tables, was unsure if the size you required...As it's a small place, I'd look at extendable ones which you could fold away when not in use but open when you have guests around.

The central red block is an island...it's a rough plan so it may have to be adjusted to size..a minimum of 800mm walk-around is essential although 1m is much better if you have appliances.
Amy Amaretti
Original Author
9 years ago
I like the island idea but I'm not sure it's a big enough room...everyone coming in would have to walk around it. Now I'm thinking what if I put the table near the top window and the sink, DW, WM on bottom edge, leave the cooking on right wall?
Amy Amaretti
Original Author
9 years ago
A S
9 years ago
You bet me to it! Was just about to post a similar plan. The only change I'd make is to include the Fridge as part of the run as opposed to making a sort of l-shape.

If you make an L-shape, what you'll find is one dead unusable space which you'd have to reach over to, you'll also end up dumping stuff into the 'corner' by thinking it's a hidden corner.
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OnePlan
9 years ago
A DW blocking a door only works in certain cases - ie where the door isn't the main route in, but is a little used store cupboard etc - might be worth bringing a professional onboard to plan this with you ?!
A S
9 years ago
oneplan- I think there's enough space to house a 60cm (presumably) wide ff, 60 cm wide WM, 90cm (possibly, or as owner wishes) unit for sink and relevant pipework, 60cm dishwasher and then cabinets to finish off on 330cm run- this would ensure the DW can open up whilst the door is open.

Have I understood your comment correctly? If not ignore the above comment.
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9 years ago
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I concur with Karen @ OnePlan - You really need a professional on the case - ( not me, one that specialises in this specific area )

The table and chairs up by the door on the left at the top will not fit. An average round table is 110-120cm across and the gap is only 140 x 98 - You don't really have room for the table yet alone adding chairs in.

I realised whilst allegedly sleeping that I'd made an error on the depth of the recess by the far door - it would not be 630mm it would be 870cm ( the alcoves being 27cm not mm )

As that would be a nice deep recess, i'd consider re-homing said cookbooks to shelving in that area above a tea making station with the kettle, toaster etc.

Just as a suggestion - if you're really keen to keep the dresser:- Maybe it could be 'amended' by a carpenter to fit the 140 gap toward the far end? Then you're not sacrificing space needed by keeping it.
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OnePlan
9 years ago
Hi A.S.
When planning a DW you need to consider it not only in the closed position ... an open DW will cause a blockage in the main route out if placed in the bottom right corner of this plan... this hampers the escape route should you need to exit the room and also stops you from shutting the door to contain a fire, which could could alter the time you have to evacuate the house of all others . Safety needs to come first in home design.
minnie101
9 years ago
Assuming the boiler is being moved, could you go with Jonathan's plan, have the dresser alongside the door and then a small corner banquette seat with a pedestal table so it can be pushed back