Too much faff and expense? Opening kitchen up & moving bathroom U/stai
Hi all,
First time posting for advice, always been a lurker but just as of today put an offer in on a home and it's all becoming a little more real now!
Our issues are that the space as it is just does not function, and we know it wouldn't work for us. I always use the bathroom at night so I know I will need a bathroom upstairs or a toilet at the very least (but would make sense to do a full bathroom if we have to pay for plumbing etc anyway) and the kitchen is beyond tiny, it's like 4m x 1.8m with doors in awkward places so there isn't much worktop space at all.
What I'm thinking is, I don't want to lose a bedroom, but I want the bathroom upstairs so I've done a bit of fiddling with numbers and on paint and come up with the below layout/proposed shape. This would mean we don't need to build an extension or anything like that, we would just need to reconfigure the existing space. See below for a bit of a guide:
My questions are, would the above design be expensive to achieve? It would involve moving an upstairs window and buying another window for bathroom and getting that fitted, moving a wall and building x2 partition walls upstairs (have no idea if wall connecting b1 and b2 is load bearing??) and then knocking through all of downstairs beyond kitchen, but again I don't know if this would need re-enforcing as the wall that will be knocked down looks to be part of the original exterior wall of the house, or whether we'd need an RSJ etc... Picture from the outside to see if this helps...
What do we think?? Expensive?? The alternative is that we build a small ensuite from larger bedroom into the right hand corner of bedroom 2 and install a small window, and then buy a new kitchen for tiny existing kitchen but keep everything pretty much the same (but, after we put dimensions etc into the ikea design planner, the space looked uncomfortably cramped and not big enough to house everything we currently use and would like to continue using.
Any advice on feasibility/sensibility/practicality/financial things to consider more than appreciated!!!! x
Comments (9)
8 years agoI think it's a great idea. The only thing I wonder is if it would be worth keeping a small amount of the existing bathroom as a downstairs loo (normally adds value and the plumbing is all there) and space for stacked washing machine and dryer. I'd also look into adding a conservatory to the side as a dining room off the kitchen accessed through another set of french doors (bigger than shown!). Good luck with the project!
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8 years agoHi,
I like the plan you have suggested for the upstairs, it's always useful to have a toilet both upstairs and downstairs.
For the downstairs, here's an option:
-squaring off the lounge, this would involve removal of what may be a structural wall and installing an rsg/ steel.
- this would increase the kitchen size and hopefully give you more work surface, I would also remove the small cupboards so you have a squared kitchen.
- I would also keep a toilet and sink downstairs and use the remainder of the space to house a w/m, dryer.
You may want to go open plan to.make the most of the space available if that suits your living style
All the best!
Jade Bambrough thanked A S- 8 years ago
A S. That looks like a great idea, actually if we kept bathroom the same (it's already been newly done) and left the external wall into the cupboardy bit the same/no need for re-enforced beams and have washer/dryer stacked in the cupboard space, all we would need is the support between kitchen and living room which would work out much cheaper than I think my initial model would be (and possibly a little more practical too, and possibly more value)
Here is a bit of a prototype of the size of the space we'd have to play with, I think it would be big enough for our needs (not massive amount of worktop space which is something we'd hoped for, but really I think it's enough) and also some space to fit a small table and 4 chairs in front of french doors and means not having to rip out whole of bathroom downstairs.
I think I may take some advice from temple274 too, and instead of building whole bathroom upstairs and trying to readjust windows, I'll just make a small ensuite in top right corner of bedroom 2. I've seen little porthole windows you can get, but equally like temple274 says all I'd really need is adequate ventilation. All in all I think this new plan is better and more cost saving than the original!!
I knew coming here would be a good idea! Thanks all x
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