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Outlets - Glass Backsplash

12 years ago
last modified: 12 years ago
Hello,

I am having the worst time after the installation of a back painted glass backsplash. We have the new Legrand Adorne receptacles/faceplates for the two outlets located on the wall of our kitchen. After the glass was installed, we knew we had to have the outlets built out since the glass has a quarter of an inch thickness to it. After the installers left, I held the faceplate up just to see how nice it will look once brought out... but noticed anyway I held it, it wasn't covering the cut out around the receptacle. Moving it sideways and up and down still wasn't helping. You can still see a gap on at least 1 or 2 of the sides.

I called the company within 10 minutes of them leaving to let them know the error, and we probably need a new piece of glass cut. This was also their third time coming, because the first two times they came with glass, it was painted on the wrong side twice, and the wrong size once. They said they didn't have anyone available to remove it, so it would need to be dealt with the following week. We addressed our concerns how it may damage the wall, and they claimed it would do the same damage the same day installed, as it would a week after. you could say we were a little disappointed this time around.

The company now claims we should just silicone around it. But, this is going to look unprofessional in our opinion. We spent a lot of money on a renovation, and this piece of glass was just shy of $1,000.... so it isn't the best thing to hear that we need to just, "make it work"....

Does anyone have any advice? What I think they should do, and please give me tips if this doesn't sound good, is make the cut the size of the electrical box inside the wall... just enough so you can still screw on the receptacle. You remove the outlets entirely, then you install the glass on the wall. After installing the glass, you install your receptacle OVER the piece of glass... so the metal is sitting on the glass. When I explained this to the company, they said it will crack... but I said, what if you smear some silicone on the outside of the glass where the plate would touch? Or put some type of soft washer behind it? And, maybe even have the glass be tempered?

The company is now saying if they remove it, our entire wall needs to be redone, and that they can't say if our quartz countertop and built in stove top will be safe and not damaged.... yet, the day they installed he claimed they could remove it? I just think they won't be as careful removing if we decide to not go with them at all and they rip it out -- or if we have a new piece cut.. will they be that careful?

I am at a loss, and would greatly appreciate any outside and fresh perspective. We have had many, many issues with companies during this renovation... but most seem to be dealt with eventually. I just hope this can be dealt with, and we can be happy and enjoy our new kitchen.

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment.

Best,

Jessica

Comments (24)

  • 12 years ago
    Hi cbear23, thank you for that! That will bring out the outlet which is great... but there is still the issue of seeing the cutout around the outlet when the faceplate snaps on. The hole in the glass isn't tight enough. Even bringing the outlet out so it is flush with the glass, the space around is too big (on the sides).
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  • 12 years ago
    Honestly, while I can appreciate the frustration of this string of errors and understand wanting a $1000 backsplash to look like it, it seems a terrible waste of resources to trash a piece of glass because a cut is a fraction off. I looked up those wall plates to see if they came in a larger size and it appears they don't, but surely there is another solution. What would it cost to have them specially fabricated to fit? Given the choice between replacing the glass and special fabrication, I'll bet your glass fabricators would be willing to spring for the plates.
    jessicakoehler thanked groveraxle
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    12 years ago
    who designed this? i recently designed a backsplash for a client with LeGrande outlets, and spent a lot of time with the electrician and tile company, because this is one of the most difficult problems that occur when things are not thought through before any work is done. it is not the job of the manufacturers to design the job. they just sell the products. you or your designer are responsible to make it all fit together properly. designers are trained to put products together and choose the proper marriage of products. if your designer did this, then it is his or her responsibility to make it right and find out who screwed up.
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  • 12 years ago
    Hi Groveraxle -- I had a glass company come out and template everything and had them install it. The outlets were in the wall when they did the template, and I also provided them the faceplate so they can see that as well. I do think it is a waste of resources, but this is also the third piece of glass from them. The first two weren't cut correctly and both times they painted the wrong side. It's unfortunate, but at this point I just want it to look professional and installed/fit correctly.

    Ferris Zoe Design - I personally designed our kitchen. We had a contractor to put together the pieces, but again, this was done by a glass supplier who measured everything themselves and installed themselves. I spoke to other companies today, and they feel the glass should be tempered, and it is not. I left it up to the glass company to measure properly for the outlets. This fee was included with installation.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    did you give them a Legrand Outlet complete with the cover to template around? That's what I would have done, and actually go to the shop and make sure they cut the right size. As it is now, I would try to have an equal gap around the plate and live with it..
    jessicakoehler thanked Aggie dba Aggie Designs
  • 12 years ago
    Such a bummer when a lot of money spent on a project doesn't work out. So you should either keep calling the company to alleviate the problem/solve it or maybe a clear silicone caulk isn't so bad. Not want you'd want, but at least you won't have an open gap where water could enter. Keep calling the company. Be kind but persistent. Wouldn't hurt to say a prayer or two ;-)
    jessicakoehler thanked User
  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 12 years ago
    You could get some small glass tiles and put a decorative border around the plate. This would cover the gap and it will look like it was designed that way. Call Legrand and see what they can do for you. 1.877.BY.LEGRAND.

    http://www.legrand.us/contact.aspx#.U5tr_vlkTZg
    jessicakoehler thanked cbear33
  • 12 years ago
    Aggie dba Aggie Designs - I thought the glass company did it themselves - but they have a supplier that does it. I offered to buy an additional one and supply it to them so they could have it when they cut.. but they declined. I'm not sure why :(

    Connie Nikiforoff Designs - Thanks for the ideas. :) The company offered to try and fix it one last time, but told me they will probably damage my kitchen trying to remove the glass from the wall. :( so we will see... wish me luck!

    cbear33 - That's a good idea if we decide to stick it out. Thank you for your input! :)
  • 12 years ago
    Jessica, I feel bad for you. So frustrating, after spending a lot of money to make your kitchen special. We just finished our renovation, and I chose everything myself, and arranged a kitchen supplier, wood flooring company and general contractor. I know how you feel in terms of spending "x" amount and wanting it to look the way it was meant to.

    It's hard to know what things can be fixed, and what things are better left alone. I say you need to get some perspective and sleep on it -- decide on Monday.

    My favourite phrase during our renovation was "if this were your place, would you turn to your wife and say it's fine, or would you want it fixed?!". Doesn't work with all tradespeople, but it resonated with most. On the whole we are very pleased with how everything turned out, but there are some annoyances within each of the areas which we will more or less live with.

    As the homeowner/designer, it bothers us most, since we agonized over every detail of the design to begin with, so of course we are hyper aware when it falls short of the mark. The majority of people that visit your home won't notice these things. If you were to use a critical eye over at their place, you would notice all sorts of things [try it]...over time, we just tune these things out.

    Suggestion: you could try the silicone, but instead of a raised bead, try squishing clear silicone into the gap so it is flush with the glass...if that doesn't look good, you can wait for it to set and then try another coloured silicone / grout / paint, to match the Legrand cover plate on top of the clear silicone. If that still isn't satisfactory, you could call a competitor glass company, tell them you want them to carefully remove the glass, and pay them to install new glass correctly, and then turn around and deduct as much as you can from the final payment to the original company [I hope you have a 10% holdback at minimum?]. It may cost you more in the long run, but at least you would be happy.

    Or do nothing, live with it for six months, and if it still bugs you, deal with it then -- it all comes down to money and time. At the end of the day, it's just stuff, right?...having good health is far more important. Congratulations on your new kitchen!

    p.s. full disclosure, we are considering a back-painted glass backsplash for behind our induction cooktop & chimney range hood, but have put it off for future due to budgetary reasons, and we were going to extend the special starfire glass to the area between the lower and upper cabinets where all the outlets are, but after your story I might just put regular tile there, and save the glass for the wall without the outlets. *sigh* Good luck.
    jessicakoehler thanked litehearted
  • 12 years ago
    BTW -- it looks like the supplier did a good job with the cutting, those tiny corners couldn't have been easy. We have a Legrand "pop-out" receptacle, and it stands quite proud of the wall, so maybe it's unavoidable with this type of receptacle...
    jessicakoehler thanked litehearted
  • 12 years ago
    litehearted:

    Thank you for your response. I decided to sleep on it and see what we can do next week. I am hoping to get our contractor over to see if he has any ideas - and to try the silicone idea before having them remove it from the wall. It's so nice to know someone else understands how frustrating it can be when you spend so much time designing it. I know with other issues we notice, no one else would ever notice coming into our home. It also comes down to the way I feel I am personally being treated. I think it would be a different story if I felt they truly care, but they are being the complete opposite, unfortunately. I definitely feel disrespected with some things the owner of the company has said... but that aside, I just want it to look nice. Especially after spending three months crammed into our basement (my Husband, myself, and our 3 cats!) :)

    This is our first home.. purchased in 2010 -- so we waited awhile until we were able to renovate (new flooring, kitchen, opening/closing some walls).... and we have had so many hiccups along the way. We finished everything in March - but little things are still trickling along. I always read it takes longer than expected - and we were no exception!

    The only positive is we haven't paid for anything yet. Our contractor told us about this company, so we were just to pay once it was complete. We gave them our credit card number after install - but since we called within 10 minutes of them leaving, we asked if they could just hold off until we can resolve this. I personally think we can walk away if needed... I am just scared if we do that they won't remove it carefully and damage our walls/countertop. I found out today that the glass isn't tempered as well, which is disappointing because it is roughly the same cost (I called other companies today and they all mentioned that)... I also assumed it was starfire glass.. but at this point, I am not sure! :(

    If you have the pop out on the wall where you would put the back-painted glass... you may have the same dilemma as us! :( When we designed the kitchen, I actually just wanted one piece of glass without any cut outs (for receptacles)... part of the wall is new, so there weren't any outlets there before. You see tons of back-painted backsplashes without outlets on here and they look so nice! Unfortunately, that isn't up to code (not to have receptacles every few feet)... and since we did everything with a permit, we had to put them in... which was a tough pill to swallow. That is why we decided to go with the Adorne collection since they look so nice. It made it seem okay to have two of them on the wall! So that is also why it's so frustrating because now they aren't really working in the glass. If you're able to put it on the other wall, I know it would be beautiful! :) You will have to share pictures on here! Also - I'm jealous of your pop-outs! They look so cool and sleek. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts!
  • 12 years ago
    :) My husband and I are crammed into a too small rental down the hall [we live in a condo bldg.] with our two cats. Tonight is the first night we hope to be sleeping in our newly renovated space, although setting up the bed and bringing the cats over is as much as we hope to accomplish this evening...lots of little projects for us to finish off ourselves, we will slowly move in over next two weeks.

    (1) That's lucky that you didn't have to put a deposit down...I'm not sure they would have much incentive to do a good job on the removal if they know they are not making any money...since your contractor set this up, he should be responsible for the outcome...perhaps if there is minimal damage, they get paid some money, but it comes off your contractor's bill? However, I would make a point of saying that you were not treated respectfully and perhaps your contractor should keep that in mind for future referrals of this company [I came across this attitude in regards to the flooring problem we had - not nice].

    (2) We are in Toronto, Canada and ran into the same problem, code requires receptacles for every 12" or more of counter top...we were required to have two outlets added, and of course, they are not lined up with the existing outlet adjacent to the new, and even the new outlets are not lined up with one another! This is what I'm talking about, as much as this annoys us, we realize that no-one else is really going to notice or care, so is it really worth fixing? You get to the point where you are tired of holes in the walls, and you just want the tradespeople gone and your home back for your own use. After a while, we probably won't notice it.

    (3) The pop-out receptacle we have does not require a backsplash, as it is located above the wall oven [we intend to use it as a charging station to plug our iDevices in]. We would have liked to use the pop-outs elsewhere in the kitchen, however, the electrician said that we were required to use split 15amp receptacles OR single 20 amp receptacles for the counter area, and the only Legrand pop-outs we could find only came as single 15amp. le sigh. So we just went with the same as we placed throughout our condo, the screw-less snap on faceplates made by Lutron. The pop-out is sleek, because you don't have to look at it when not in use, but it may look a little cluttered when it is 'out' and multiple [up to three] cords are plugged into it. ;)

    I'm not sure where these problem outlets of yours are located...if you can see the gap as you enter the room, then it is problematic for long term aesthetic appeal, however, if you only really are aware of the gap if you crane your neck forward and look at it sideways, then I think the problem could be solved with some silicone/caulking or what have you, if pretty much the view is straight on?

    Hopefully someone else on the Houzz board will come up with a clever suggestion.
    jessicakoehler thanked litehearted
  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 12 years ago
    I'll post some photos on my profile, once we are settled back in and things look more 'finished'. :D This ought to cheer you: https://www.etsy.com/shop/vaivanat?ref=l2-shopheader-name
    jessicakoehler thanked litehearted
  • 12 years ago
    litehearted:

    Oh my goodness! That etsy link did cheer me up! I am definitely favoriting that shop! :)

    That is so exciting - the part of staying in there for the first night! I bet it feels like a whole new place. I'm sure the kitties will be happy! I took a video of ours coming upstairs for the first time (silly, perhaps? not to me!) haha. :) I hope you and your Husband (and kitties!) enjoy and savor the new memories you'll make in the "new" space! It can be fun putting the place together again. Can't wait to see pictures when you get everything settled in.

    We are actually located in Burlington - so distant neighbors! We had the same issue with our receptacles in the kitchen since they had to be 20amp. No Lowes in the GTA had them in the store or on their website. I called into a Lowes and they actually had one of their reps in from Legrand that helped us. They were able to order us in the 20amp - thank goodness! I remember seeing the Lutron ones though, they were also super nice.

    I've attached a picture of the area so you can get a better idea -- the outlets are low, so the gaps would be visible anywhere I would be standing (on the opposite side is a counter with the sink/etc.) Hopefully I can figure something out by next week! :)
  • 12 years ago
    They need to fix it. They should know how. It's their business. That's why I never pay until I'm sure everything is right. If paid by check I would had stop payment. Or a credit card, if not repaired to your satisfaction. Should not have to pay.
  • 12 years ago
    Cbear has some good advice.
  • 10 years ago

    Why not custom make switch plate out of the same glass? Edges of glass can be polished like granite and then glue with silicone.

  • 9 years ago

    Hi there! I know this thread is old, but i somehow stumbled upon it while googling about our backsplash! If you don't mind, I was wondering how close the edges ended up being to your counter/walls? We just had our new slabs installed and the cuts are not level. Especially with the quartz. Like it will start flush and then slowly slant up. It's very minimal, but it is something that I notice. The installer basically told me that it's just the luck of the cut, but I thought I'd do my own research to see if that truly is the case, or if it can be flush. Thank you!!!

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Megan! I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean, how close was the glass backsplash? Or something different. Please let me know and I'd be happy to help :)

  • 9 years ago

    Hi, I am planning on installing a glass backsplash and did not want outlets ruining the look. I was aware of outlet strips that you install under your cabinets rather than on the glass. I called our city's building dept. and was told that as long as I used 20 amp tamper resistant outlet strips, it would be fine. Check into it, it might solve your problem if you decide to get a new piece of glass. However, I like the idea of having glass company fabricate appropriate-sized outlet covers in the same glass. That would look very classy.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I would use spacers to elevate the outlet and then have a piece of the same glass cut to make a custom outlet cover. It is not the best but would keep the same glass look and should look good if they cut it correctly. Ideally you don't cut the glass and use a pop-up outlet in your counter top and keep the backsplash as a solid piece of glass.

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Just wondering...could the glass be cut around the plate. In other words, could the electrical plate be inset into the glass?

  • 7 years ago

    Two year old post Kathryn Renz Design, but is there a specific question in mind? The answer would be yes but it also depends.