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Bi-Fold or Sliding Doors on our extension - advice please??

3 years ago

We are just about to get drawings done for an extension but we are still in a dilemma as to what to do at the rear of the extension. We have a lovely view and want to make the most of it. i notice a lot of people say the weather does not do the doors justice in the UK - we are based in Perth Scotland. What is the best solution? It is an large u-shaped open plan living space. Overall dimensions are 33ft (rear wall for doors?) x 25ft. And if we do go for one of these types of openings, where should i get them from as we are based in Perth? Sorry so many questions!! (PS, Sorry about the mud in the photo - we are having our garden landscaped!)

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Synseal Group
3 years ago
Go for the new generation of bifold doors called Warmcore - you can get a u value of 0.9 triple glazed - very thermally efficient. Individual leaf width of 1.0m and up to 6.0m wide. A 4-1 combination will give you a traffic door and a big opening door for when the weather is good. They have a good magnet solution to secure the leaf when it's windy
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ianthy
3 years ago
You might think about a combination of doors - maybe sliding and a large picture window to make the most if the views all year round.

We recently had 3m bifold doors and a large picture window installed by the bifold shop based in Gloucester, but the operate nationwide. Very happy with their service and cost.
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I'm on Arran and am having a house designed at the moment.
We have big north facing views and have decided on wide sliding Windows and a large box picture window to be used as a window seat.

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I also decided sliding door have less framing, bifolds will cut the view up.
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tweakyb
3 years ago
Either look really lovely. My prev extension I had bi-folds. However living in Northern Ireland and room north facing they were only opened a few times. The people who have bought the house said they have opened them fully twice in last three years. I am now doing a another renovation in 110 year old house. Garden is south facing but have went with patio doors with 2 glass panels that fold right back on each other. A third of the price of the bi-fold, and more in keeping with age of house than sliding. They aren't fitted yet so hope I have made right decision?
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Original Author
3 years ago
thanks everyone for their comments - very interesting!

Tweakyb - where do you get your glazing from? it sounds interesting.
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tweakyb
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IDSystems
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There is no right or wrong answer - and
as suppliers and installers of award winning versions of both bifold AND sliding door
systems we have no bias towards one or the other. Our teams install nationally, from Shetland to the Channel Islands...and everywhere in between.

When we get asked this question by customers there are a number of
initial things we would ask to try and make some recommendations - and
we have written a blog all about these. Probably the most valuable question is realistically how often are you likely to have the doors fully open.

Our SF55 aluminium bifold doors can be manufactured up to 1.1m wide and have an
industry leading narrow sightline of 115mm (the amount of frame visible
when closed) and over a 29' 6" run of 9x1m panels you will have 8
intermediate frames totalling 920mm of aluminium.

We do two aluminium sliding door systems the Grand Slider (83mm sightlines) or our award winning theEDGE
(narrow 24mm sightline) - both can take glass sizes of up to 3m wide so
over a 9m run of 3x3m panels you will have 166mm of intermediate
aluminium visible with the Grand Slider and just 48mm visible with
theEDGE.

So if your doors are closed more often than open there is
significantly less frame than glass in sliding doors - maximising your views - however the trade
off is that unless you opt for a pocket slider you are not able to open a
sliding door completely to create a total 9m opening like you are with
bifold doors - you would only open 6m of the 7m (or 6.75m if you went
for four sliding door panels).

In terms of thermal performance both SF55 and the sliding door
systems can be double or triple glazed and achieve pretty similar
U-Values and in terms of price the SF55 and Grand Slider systems work
out to be almost identical - although theEDGE is a bit more because of
the advanced engineering required to create such a narrow profile. There is also the option of the SF75 bifold door which has a U-Value of 0.9W/m2K which is the lowest of any aluminium system on the market.

Given your location and your views, my personal recommendation would be sliding doors, because you maximise your views even when closed - but it is whatever is best for you and it may well be a combination of sliding doors and fixed frames provide the perfect and cost effective solution.

If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask and good luck with your project!

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