Extension and remodelling, ground floor, modest 1930s end terrace
I am (trying to) plan a modest extension and remodel of the ground floor of my home. It is the dotted area at the rear. The idea was to flatten the existing outside WC, but im not fixed on this. If its useful for the plan to have the plumbing there, then so be it. It doesn't have to be one big space, we will have walls if necessary. I know everyone loves a massive kitchen/living area, but im not convinced we can get the needs of our family met by having one massive area. The budget for the building work is approx £50k (sterling). I have estimated £15K for the new kitchen. The existing kitchen units will be used if we can get a utility space. I have discussed this with a well thought of local builders who have given me an estimate of £35k for the extnsion, and £7.5k for the repurpose of the garage, so I feel I'm in the ball park budget wise. Please help me decide what to put where and how to divide up the space!
My brief is:-
Single storey rear extension approx 8m x 3m (a bit of flex shape and size wise)
change of use of garage to bring into everyday use as part of the ground floor
bigger kitchen
gain utility room
gain downstairs shower room
gain downstairs office which will have double use as occasional spare bedroom
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Comments (8)Thanks for the comments so far. I'm kind of thinking there's a hybrid option that isn't 1 or 2 and will probably cost a fortune, but until I find that solution, option 2 is definitely what I'm pulled towards. Oneplan, to answer your questions specifically: - The house is built on two floors - just three double bedrooms uptstairs. I'll be putting a small bathroom in upstairs as part of the project. - The "lobby" area is a vast overstatement on behalf of the estate agents when they were making the plan. "Pantry" would be a more appropriate word. Our builder mate suggested making the Pantry into a small shower and WC and converting the current downstairs bathroom into a utility room. - My kids are 4 and 5. - I haven't actually measured the porch up yet, although see comment below. - Regarding the question about the extension size. I borrowed the dimensions from a plan already submitted to the council for an exact same sized house (plans submitted before the govt relaxed planning rules). This size works because the garden is not so big. If I make the extension any bigger the garden will be really too small (and I want at least some space for the kids to run around in). Actually, I saw this post earler today https://www.houzz.co.uk/discussions/how-can-i-bring-this-kitchen-to-life-dsvw-vd~1171087 and I love it. Wonder if I could work with something along these lines....See MoreRationalise a mish mash of extensions!
Comments (10)i will tell you up front, I am not anybody, but, I have learned a few things. I see 4 places for the bathroom depending on size you want. You have not totally given measurements but, 1 place is between the living and dining area. you have those 1/2 walls, so I would vote on the right, although I do not know where upstairs bath is, and It is always cheaper when they can share plumbing. Under the stair well, once again a tiny space, but I have seen it used. Third place on the porch. Last place, which is logical, out side of where your kitchen sink is, but that would be an addition. Cloak room, I do not know how large your cloak rooms are, ours are not very large. This does not require an addition. i don't know how large the space behind the front door is, but you could put a used wardrobe there, that is what we use for a coatroom. the porch allows you to make a small to large one. You can use shelves and hang a bar between them, thought might allow you to put bifolds there or a curtain to section is off or on the porch it might not matter. Once again you have under the stairs or one of those 2 corners between dining and living room. you can also claim a section of the back wall of the conservatory. i would look at knocking out walls between the porch and the kitchen depending on how much of that porch you need. I would also look at incorporating hall into living space. Personally I would want more living and less formal, which is how i use my living room. I actually went back to calling it a parlor, it is an always clean no pets, no children area, unless they are accompanied. Even my husband has to be accompanied, so it is always spotless. So i would get doors for it, and would probably reduce the size if possible. I would then knock the kitchen wall out between it and the dining room. So from the wall of that living room back and all the way to the wall next door is all family space. Regarding the conservatory. You have not lived there during the winter yet. It or some form of it might bring much needed heat and sunshine during the winter months. Live with it, play with it, if it does not work, sell it off, once you have plans for the space. They are expensive so it might even pay for the remodel. So the first thing I think you should do, is get an expert in to tell you which walls have to stay exactly how they are or mark how much can go. You also need to figure out exactly where your upstairs bath is, so go up there and start stomping while hubby listens!...See MoreUnusual 1930s House Renovation Project - Ideas? Help?
Comments (17)Jonathan, AMB, thank you ever so much for your advice and designs! We had been toying with the idea of pulling the garage forward. Back in the early 2000s, planning permission was rejected for a double garage in the opposite corner of the driveway but a sensible solution would be to come forward next to the neighbouring property, no light issues and should not upset the 'street scene'. I've always been keen on moving the stairs but associated costs have dampened my spirits a little. That saying, in there current guise they are incredibly steep and dangerous for the young and elderly. A new configuration may well improve the landing space/flow on the first floor. I completely agree about the driveway, my initial thought was grasscrete but we'll never have more than two cars... if that. With us eventually getting some gates up, that could be quite an inviting space. I've been watching a lot of house shows and they always mention about being able to see the garden from the front entrance which you have captured in that floor plan. Phases of work is a strong debate and you are not wrong AMB. I guess once we have a final plan, the phase of the works should fall into place. The fireplace was a family heirloom of the previous owner, took it out his grandad's property apparently! In terms of decor, we want to embrace the character of the property with an added modern twist. We are very keen to incorporate a hallway for the very reasons you mentioned. Thanks again for your comments and suggestions, all very useful....See MoreHelp with Kitchen/Diner/Living layout
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6 years agoJen P - It's awkward right? Adding the extension just makes a long thin house, longer. You can only put windows on one side as it state end terrace, thus i'm guessing garage side.
I'm going for something like this - if the plumbing can be sorted - It gives a separate guest / office area and attached Bathroom, a formal lounge, a formal dining area, a large kitchen / diner / lounge area, a view from the front door right through to the back of the house, making it seem larger and a separate toilet for every day use.
The only thing not covered is the separate Utility. However, if you don't want a downstairs loo and a bathroom, you could have a utility cupboard instead where the sep loo is.
I'll carry on working around it:-
You do get a lot of light, a lot of privacy from the separate rooms though, maybe, you just can't have everything, however, I'm sure someone can have a go!
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoThis was my attempt for the extension, but I think I'd go with Hugh's idea actually!! It does squeeze in a utility though
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6 years agoI think you have to consider the outside walls of the original house. You can't easily remove these but you can put opening in them. Personally I think that kitchens sell houses and the largest uninterrupted space is the back part of the reception room. I would put the kitchen here and then create an opening to the original kitchen, and then widen the garden facing aperture so that the back of the original house opens into the extension with minimal barriers.
On my plan I have put a desk in the original kitchen and retained the front part of the garage for storage but of course you could have an additional room here by having a longer corridor and a different shaped utility room.
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6 years agoI think the biggest problem is the middle room ( end of the living room ) - In order to not have a rabbit warren of rooms and a feeling of space, it's important to keep that one open ( not least of which, for light reasons.) - It is that room that in my opinion causes all the problems.
Yes you can fit in a Utility, but then you get a lovely view of the kitchen cabinets from the dining area. Like this:-
It also blocked off the end of the hallway, which I didn't like, and makes it harder to walk front to back. Thus I ended up with the design at the top.
This one is also do'able, but the placement of the lounge area furniture to the top left is not easy:-
I guess there are always choices and in the end it's down to what the homeowner has to have on their list, after all they're paying for it.
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6 years agoHubby on laptop for the foreseeable so I'll do my best, but be brief. To keep costs down I thought I'd keep the kitchen on the left side. I'd come up with a shortlist of 3 plans myself and am still undecided whether to go all the way across the back, or just the original house width. In my mind, I can sit in TV area here and look straight out to garden through patio doors across approx 1/3 width of new rear wall.
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6 years agoI also had the idea of the extension being the 2nd living space (we sorta need 2 spaces, 1 for music, 1 for TV). Is it crazy to have a kitchen in the middle of the house? I imagine we can get lots of light in with a roof lantern in the extension, but enough light? I don't know.
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6 years agoPosted wrong pic with above comment about kitchen in the middle. Please see this pic
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6 years agoWith this one we mix the utility and shower room into one room and knock through the original kitchen to extend the living space.
Jonathan
6 years agoI think that now you have a few ideas you should work out how many square meters your budget will buy and then get a designer or concept planner to help you visualize how big this will feel. Originally you were talking about a 3m extension and this is too small to use as a living space and isn't big enough to accommodate a kitchen with an island but if open to other rooms will help make the overall space feel roomy.
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoI think making the extension smaller will work, but you've thrown something extra in to the mix by way of a music room and a separate lounge. The designs above are good, but none of them have room for dining. ( except for Jonathan's )
I think as Jonathan suggests that you need a definitive list of items that you have to have, and items that you'd like if it were possible. I fear you will not fit all of them in and something will have to give. You barely have enough room for everything ( excluding the music room ) with a full width extension, if you make that smaller you will have to do without something.
Maybe the office could treble up as the office / guest room / music room?
Or dining could be dining and music?
Therefore, a concept planner is a must.
As you can see, it is possible to have the rooms opened up like this ( bearing in mind a supporting wall has been taken away to make extra room - so extra cost ) - however, the furniture placement isn't in my opinion favourable - so that's where a concept planner comes in - They know the sizes of the objects and what can fit in where. They can also 3d the plans so that you can have a look round them. Your plans are ok, but they haven't taken in to consideration the furniture and what you might be able to fit in the spaces, thus they don't work so well i'm afraid.
This is the whole thing made smaller -
As you see the downstairs loo went in favour of a hallway to the downstairs bathroom, the loo becomes a utility cupboard. You have a bench dining area with table etc
This is it made a little larger:- The extra metre makes a big difference!
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