Floorplan - change 2 to 3 bed flat
Hi
So we are looking for advice on fire regulations for our Floorplan ideas. We wish to change the layout of this 2 bed flat to a 3 bed. Main idea is to move the kitchen into the extension area, or open to suggestions/sketches! Ideas and thoughts most welcome, and architect contact details too as e will need someone to draw it up properly after we finalise an idea. Thanks in advance!
current layout below: the kitchen is currently in the bottom middle room with chimney breast (next to bathroom)
Idea 1 see below: (walk in wardrobe-room)
Idea 2 see below:
Idea 3 below:
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kiwimills
6 years ago
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Comments (16)I agree with Jonathan, you probably aren't going to get everything you want. My plan leaving the shower room and swapping the kitchen and bathroom is good. It leaves you a good sized bathroom for three beds, and a separate shower room. We all prefer our own plans and I like mine because i've used every inch possible. Plus, I only knocked down one small wall down between kitchen and living and put one wall up to make two bedrooms at the front. The master gets a nice big window with a private patio....nice feature. It also utilises the side entrance as a pantry gaining space in the kitchen. However, as Jonathan says either of the plans with no extension will leave an undersized living / kitchen / dining area. Thus an extension is necessary, but even that's pushing it. The budget just isn't going to stretch to all of the work in one go. I'm guessing you can just about do all the internals, which requires a new kitchen and bathroom, neither of which you could go mad on. Some of the rooms need better windows as you pointed out. It would still leave the undersized space at the rear, which would require an extension at some point, but the bulk of the work would be done. Either way, it's a very tight budget, it's an old house, and stuff crops up in those all the time that you don't expect. A healthy budget to achieve all, including the extension............with a contingency included for small disasters should be £60-80K...See MoreADVICE PLS converting a 2 bed flat into 3 bed
Comments (4)Hi Natalie, This is actually a hard one. I know this was posted some time ago, but in case you are still in a conundrum about this, a radical possibility is as follows: My intial idea was to open up your back area with the following extension (detailed below), so that your family could live facing your garden. But given that you are on a busy road (unless you want to reconsider using the front reception as a bedroom which you can test by pulling your mattress in there and sleeping in it for a couple of nights), this may do the trick, if you are willing to change your garden differently than you had intially considered. Here is how to get what you want - 3 bedrooms & open plan reception space to plan a kitchen with an island / breakfast bar, lounge & dining area. Knock all the walls through from your front reception room & your first bedroom area. This will give you one huge open-plan reception space to take advantage of and configure just the way you want to include kit - dining - living. Extend the hallway through the current kitchen - dining area to the back of the flat (and slightly beyond into the extension (detailed below). Out of the rest of the kitchen dining space, you can create another bedroom that can either retain the current window or have double doors opening up onto the garden. On the left side of the garden - all the way down the length of the garden - do a 1 room extension (13'6" long x 9' wide) with large windows or sliding doors onto the courtyard garden. This will give you the 3rd bedroom you desire and also with planning permission approvals or under permitted development (must find out what applies in your area), possibly give you enough space for a small ensuite shower room too. The extended hallway into the new left-side extension should be used to create access & a door into the courtyard garden. Your court-yard garden will still then be about 13'6" x 10' (rather than 19'9 x 10' as you suggested with a 1m back extension across the rear of your house) and you can still use your side return for light. Not doing the side extension will reduce the cost significantly - and as you know getting the 3rd bedroom out of the size of the side return extension was very difficult. If you do what to also do the side return extension, you can enlarge the kit - diner converted to a bedroom, and also add a small ensuite to that room behind the other bedroom (if you retain the courtyard area on the side from the current large bedroom, past the bathroom & 2nd bedroom windows, upto the fireplace). If you do decide to use the front reception as a bedroom: You can create a lovely open-plan living - dining - kitchen in the garden extension I suggested above & the current kitchen dining area - putting in all glass (sliding or concertina) in both areas facing your courtyard garden. You can configure your kitchen - diner in one side and the living area in the other. Both areas will have full light and exposure to the courtyard, and offer indoor-outdoor living when weather is nice and doors are all fully opened - giving you an L-shaped open plan living around your courtyard. Also if you do the side extension as well, this will extend this reception area even more across the back of the house, give you more options for skylights & allow you to add a small ensuite or w/c in the side return too. The rest of the blue-print of your home would remain the same & you would use your front reception room as a bedroom. Well, hope this helps and best of luck! Best wishes,...See MoreLondon 1st floor flat - large(r) kitchen - floor plan/ design advise
Comments (12)Hello, my previous flat was very similar except your bedroom at the back was the kitchen and your kitchen was a dining room. The main problem with the current layout is when you have very young children and you’re in the kitchen preparing food, you can’t keep and eye on the children or talk to them whilst multi-tasking. If you don’t mind me asking, are all 3 bedrooms currently occupied? If not and only 2 are occupied, I would use the back bedroom as a dining room and can also be used for the kids to play. When you come to sell, depending on how many children you have then, you could always carve up the living room to make a very small bedroom on the left. These flats are great when there are only 2 people, it just gets a bit challenging when the family expands. Also you don’t want to spend too much money renovating if you are going to sell in the future....See More2 bed ex local flat to 3/4 bed flat?
Comments (24)Thank you for sharing Kate. We are aware and know that any final plans will have to work with existing service points. Hopefully, we will pull together one or two floor plans to share with a building contractor who is well versed in ex-local reno before sharing our application with the councils planning team. I did read on our council website that they have two teams - one that deals with planning and another that you can seek advice from before putting in an application. I think there is a fee to use the second service (much smaller than the actual planning fee) but they will give us a very strong idea whether our plans are likely to be approved or not....See MoreBambi T
6 years agoJonathan
6 years agoFor me the three original designs compromised bedroom space and this flat would have been perceived as a property with one small double and two singles despite you putting double beds in each room- you might well have devalued the property by doing this.
I understand the instinct to have the grandest room as the living room but you can make modern spaces in the extension feel special with the addition of a focal point, great decorating, coving or a skylight.
The purpose of the laundry room is to take a noisy washing machine out of a kitchen/ living space- it doesn't have to be a big space - personally I would stack the washer and dryer on top of each other and then have a tall cupboard at the side for the ironing board and vacuum. In fact this property appears to be lacking essential storage space and this little space would help.
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6 years agoSomething like this would allow you to keep the lounge at the front. Not sure how big bedrooms would actually be though
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Carolina
6 years agoSince you want to keep the front room as a living room, here's another idea for you:
blue are bedrooms, red is kitchen, black are bathrooms and utility.
Bambi T
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6 years agoMy last idea: green are bedrooms, blue are bathrooms. Obviously it's a very crude plan shapewise, but I don't think that this layout has been suggested yet?
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6 years agoOK so after long pause here's what the latest plan is... any thoughts greatly appreciated! We're making a tiny tiny 3rd room - Annoyingly we cant knock the wall which is next to the existing bathroom/the tiny room at the bottom on the right of the room (the thicker wall as drawn in pic below) - which influences everything. Definitely want to keep the front bay room as the lounge, it's too big for a bedroom. thanks in advance. Do you think this layout works?
kiwimills
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6 years agoIf this is about having 3 good sized family bedrooms how about having the kitchen opening into the front living space with double doors, and using it as a corridor to get through to the back of the house. Bit weird I guess, but it does give you bigger bedrooms. Not sure if there are any fire reg implications in doing this either??
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6 years agoyes ive just got in touch with her, thanks!!
Here's a pic showing which walls we cannot knock... you guys are all sooo helpful!! x
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6 years agokiwimills
6 years agoSo while you were all sleeping. .....hee hee!!
I moved the front door
Kept the yellow walls
How did u manage a skylight on the ground floor !? But kudos.
If the ceilings aren't high and a mezzanine is out in front room for a play room for kids, how about this?
Washing machine by bathroom ( if u can't use steels to get rid of walls)
Linen cupboard opposite , three beds two baths. Two living rooms.
Access to garden....
PROOnePlan
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoAlso while you were sleeping ....
I think you are over complicating it -
Have the front lounge set up so it can also be master bedroom with a Murphy bed, wardrobes and tv over fireplace /on chimney . ( you won't have to move furniture - just pull down the bed and sleep ! ) don't waste this beautiful room and space !!
Did some other small tweaks too - changed smaller bathroom into shower room with new door - put laundry stack and cleaning clobber next to bigger bathroom - put double doors into an island kitchen with dining space under roof light and chill out corner sofa overlooking garden - put a sliding blackboard door over entrance to kids rooms
Basically giving everyone good space to live in.
Hope that helps !
Kindest regards
Karen
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6 years agoI think this could work with the yellow lines!! The 2 and 3 bedroom would be equal singles, but that's ok for kids isn't it?
Bambi T
6 years agoHi again! Sooo speaking to the architect today this seeems to be the latest, slightly tweaked to incorporate a cupboard into the tiny room stealing it from the corridor slightly. We can't see a way to make access to the third bedroom not go through the long room, so a door from there will have to do!
kiwimills - i really like your ideas. however the twin bedroom at the top needs to have a window to officially be a bedroom? (also, what's WR stand for, sorry?) We have a rooflight there because it's over the single storey side extension.
OnePlan - thanks so much too. I love your ideas but we are not keen on having to re - make up the bed everyday by using the front lounge as a murphy bedroom and lounge - But I do see where you are coming from! I like the simplicity of this design actually. So the kitchen island and table, would they be the same height? Like higher barstools?
Jen P - Thanks so much too! However we are pretty keen on the play area looking out over the garden, and having a single bedroom there means we lose that view. But i know we have to compromise somewhere... We can't knock the bathroom walls without huge costs with steels which we are trying to avoid. We can knock a doorway but not the whole wall down.
Jonathan - Me and my sister spent all night talking about your ideas earlier, we keep revisiting them. Thanks soooo much for your great ideas!!
Here's the latest version that we are thinking of, slightly tweaked, but still really considering everyone's thoughts so I'm sure it will change again! Ensuite now in middle room and kitchen bigger (thanks Carolina). The tiny room now has an inbuilt cupboard which i think makes a big difference...?
Thanks so much for your time!! :)
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6 years agoOkay... I think you've made the right decision to move the living room and kitchen to the garden side and the bedroom to the front. I know you said final plan, but (sorry), I'd make the bathroom a bit bigger and the third bedroom could be bigger if you did this?
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