Trying to fit dining table in kitchen space
Here’s our new extension plan. In the kitchen area we were hoping to get a sofa with TV area plus a dining table but it looks a bit tight and we don’t want to loose the feeling of space. Really want to keep the free standing island and a breakfast bar isn’t practical for us with young kids and wouldn’t work if we were entertaining Hence wanting a separate dining table The space is 7 metres across by 4.5 metres deep. Any ideas gratefully received, thanks.
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rva80
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Comments (24)It could be an idea to demarcate the kitchen using the floor, rather than by using furniture - the easiest and cheapest way would be a rug of suitable material. If the area is demarcated there isn't as pressing a need to put something there, like an island or table. It also preserves the sense of open space - you said the room was small overall, so it's important not to crowd it with furniture. Then the furniture you do have can be spaced out, so you can have a larger sitting area. A round table would be good in the corner by the door. Round because as Minnie said it takes less space. A glass table would be best as it is see-through and preserves a sense of space. Round is also good because it adds softness - the rest of the room is going to have square or rectangular lines to it. The dining table could also be the desk. An alternative would be a coffee table in the sitting area that converts into a desk - if you google "coffee table and desk" you will see some really cool examples. I don't know how to copy and post the images, so you will have to search it, sorry! Corner TV - I have the same problem. I'm considering a wall mount. This saves space, but you do have to consider the wiring, and where to put digital boxes etc. Good luck!! Show us some after pics?...See MoreBest layout for family kitchen / dining space in 5.5m x 3.2m room?
Comments (11)There are a few problems:- If you run the units right down the right hand wall, you make the space in the dining room narrower. You need approx 7ft plus across for dining table, that's 3 ft for the table and 2 ft for a chair either side to be pulled out in order to sit down. This leaves you with about 1ft between the side of the table and the kitchen unit next to it. Also, you will have a nib on the left hand wall where the dining room ends and the kitchen begins due to the steel that needs to sit on top of it, ( the size of the nib will be dictated by the construction of the wall & what it's supporting above ) so the space will still look divided if you don't disguise it with units above. ( Don't forget the party wall agreement ! ) I don't think you have space for units right the way down and the table and chairs. Plus you are limiting yourself to just over 6 metres of units, once you start putting an integrated fridge, then freezer, washing machine, dishwasher, you won't have much left for all the food plus pots & pans, drawers etc. All this and the dining table is not near the garden, where it would be better off. ( in my opinion ) You also need to consider the windows at the dining room end as they look quite close to the wall, will you be able to fit a unit in there without going across the window? You also need to consider the windows at the dining room end as they look quite close to the wall, will you be able to fit a unit in there without going across the window? If you could overcome the plumbing and it should be possible, then maybe you'd be better of with this:- Move the kitchen to the dining room and have the ' U' shape in there. You can still have just units on the bottom, you'll have over 9 metres of wall space for units so a third more. You won't need to worry about the nib being in the way. The dining area will be plenty big enough for the table and chairs, and you'll be able to eat and look on to the garden. You should be ok with the plumbing, it's only water feed and water waste from the sink, dishwasher and washing machine. It has to go under the floor further but at least it's not a soil pipe!...See MoreHelp! Need a kitchen redesign - can we fit a table AND an island?
Comments (11)Hi there, It's a lovely space and I am sure there are lots of options as mentioned already by Karen above. How would you like to use the island? Is it more for the aesthetic or do you want it for people to sit / perch at? Islands tend to lose a lot of storage if you want people to be able to sit at them, which necessitates the need for more wall cabinets etc but if you can use the 'back side' for more occasional items then the wall restrictions may be less of an issue. What sort of style are you thinking of going for? Open shelves can look fabulous and a great way of storing items that are used day in, day out. They can also be very budget friendly in comparison to wall cabinets. Have you considered banquette seating for the table, opposed to using all chairs? It tends to be quite space saving and quite versatile too. Best wishes Claire...See MoreHow much space to leave for dining table and chairs
Comments (5)How about banquet seating on one side? I think you could have curved banquet then 2 chairs. Would use less space than 4 chairs....See Moreminipie
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4 years ago
Maths Wife
4 years agoIt's definitely too tight for room. Your walk ways as standard should be 1m, however, even reduced down to those dimensions it won't all fit. I would suggest, as you've already said a breakfast bar isn't practical with young children, that you do not need stools at an island.
The compromise needs to be the need for drawers on both sides of the island. Surely you wouldn't need this with a utility and walk in pantry. I've amended the plan a little to make a proper pantry on the left.
You could keep the wide 900mm island, and fit a table against it without the drawers both sides. Like this.
This could then extend to the same width as the island for entertaining, but you would probably need to push the sofa back a bit to fit a lot of people in.
You could also consider dropping the Island width down to 600mm as you don't need the stools. Every little helps!
By cutting down to a 600mm island, you almost have the obligatory sized walk throughs. You still don't achieve drawers both sides of the island or room for stools though.
Have you thought about maybe using a concept planner? Karen @ OnePlan comes highly regarded on here, amongst others and eats plans like these for breakfast. I think she'd prove to be indispensible.
rva80 thanked Maths Wifeminnie101
4 years agoI'm just wondering if your kids will actually use the playroom if they're young as it's not connected to the kitchen? I also wonder if the office space is over generous and maybe swap play and office for when they're a bit older? Personally i would forgo the sofa, have a larger dining table with a banquette/dining sofa and/or comfy chairs and choose something that is forgiving with kids. Maybe you could have a dresser on the left hand wall with a tv on a swing out bracket? It also gives you extra storage for nice glasses, dinner service etc but does reduce the island length to 1.9m unless you went for a slightly slimmer dresser. I'd leave 1.2m between island and back run otherwise the dishwasher (assuming you have one) becomes a bit of a trip hazard. It looks a nice practical plan though with lots of storage, view from front door to garden etc :)
another recommendation for Karen if you wanted extra help
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4 years agoHi Maths Wife I like your idea as it opens up the space- we did look at this but we loose the study which we need as hubby works from home and also loose the pantry and opposite that, the architect has made space for a fridge freezer. Also by opening up this area we’d need to add a steel beam which means extra cost and going back to the architect for steel calculations amends of drawings etc. I did have this idea (see attached) and wondered if I could move the island over making room for a table on the right-hand side near the bi-folds or Is it just creating dead space? Behind the utility theirs space for the pantry. It would still entail a steel beam though So doesn’t solve that problem.
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